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That implies that UBI is agreed upon all around the world, which it isn't. "...we could just set a ceiling on carbon emissions..." that already exists and thos

That implies that UBI is agreed upon all around the world, which it isn't. "...we could just set a ceiling on carbon emissions..." that already exists and those ceilings aren't honoured by manufacturing-heavy regions around the world, as there is no way to enforce any sort of responsibility. Also consider that most tech companies are moving to carbon neutrality. "...set a living wage of $20/hr ..."...where exactly? Worldwide? NA only? Any consideration for inflation? Perhaps you got an expalanation for those who are working skilled jobs and are currently earning 20 USD per hour on why someone who works a less skilled job should suddenly earn the same amount? Worlds history says that trying to equalize everyones skills leads to skilled workers looking for greener pastures. "...make companies directly responsible for paying the shortfall that the government makes up in welfare payments."...so making companies responsible for governments decisions in giving away money to recipients that might not even be related to the industries the companies are operating in? "...create a national debt tax, where any cost overruns would fall on the companies who lobbied most." that's...not how that works. "...to immediately put cash in people's pockets and incentivize automation instead of the daily grind." kinda amusing how it goes right after "...starve the beast of multinational corporations so that they can't overtake world governments." considering that many of those boogeyman corporations are the ones working on automation and...employing highly skilled researchers, engineers and blue collar workers.

zackmorris 4y ago
All good points, and all controversial. We're so used to looking at everything through a capitalist lens, that any policies designed to help the average working Joe seem quaint or even downright laughable: "...there is no way to enforce any sort of responsibility..." <- funding enforcement "...Worlds history says that trying to equalize everyones skills leads to skilled workers looking for greener pastures..." <- unions "...so making companies responsible for governments decisions in giving away money to recipients that might not even be related to the industries the companies are operating in?..." <- this is the current lobbying system "(companies paying national debt) ...that's...not how that works..." <- overruns are currently paid disproportionately by the working poor and future generations "(starve the beast of multinational corporations) ...considering that many of those boogeyman corporations are the ones working on automation..." <- for themselves From my perspective, we've created just about the least efficient, least equitable system possible. We have billions of people around the world toiling the entirety of their lives just to survive month to month. If they had any free time at all, they could work towards at least some level of autonomy. But that time is denied to them by the same corporations that profit from them. And we enthusiastically keep putting those corporations in charge of everything, because they provide the goods and services that we depend on. We keep re-creating global feudalism and aristocracy, to the point of even letting corporations gatekeep the way we live and work in the name of security, for a modest fee of course. The fact that Apple and Google are at the leading edge of wealth inequality is perhaps the greatest tragedy of the modern era. It truly breaks my heart.
- caramelcustard 4y ago
  Ah yes, the best help for the "average working Joe" – just like, make inflation even worse, create a conflict between skilled workers and non-skilled workers, make "Joe" dependent on government "freebies" and on top of that introduce another boogeyman to put the blame on. If you want to help the average Joe let them do their thing without trying to interfere at every step possible just because of someones political preferences. "...funding enforcment" worldwide? The issue is enforcing those caps worldwide, which is impossible. "...unions" except a skilled worker doesn't need a random person or entity deciding what their paycheck is going to amount to. There is a reason why unions worked well in low-skilled jobs as creating a median pay allowed those who were lacking in skills to be at the same level of pay as their more skilled counterparts (consider that we're still talking low skilled jobs). "...this is the current lobbying system." except it isn't and the original comment said that debt should be basically tied to companies because...uhh, they don't know. The lobbying system covers a huge variety of law related things and while companies can lobby, so can private citizens, citizen groups and so on. "...overruns are paid disproportionately..." you sure about that? Folks that are considered rich are already paying over ONE QUARTER of ALL federal revenues collected (and that's in the US). "...for themselves" never knew that all those fancy stock control systems, cash registers, automated book keeping and many more things that SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS and INDIVIDUALS are using on the daily basis, that are developed by those boogeyman corporations and sold for a reasonable price are actually made for the corporations...that are selling them to everyone? Please, do yourself a favour and even if you're not into the business side of things, at least get familiar with how drastically various industries have changed over the years in the context of cheap automation solutions that are available for EVERYONE. "...we've created just about the least efficient, least equitable system possible." that's your perspective. The alternatives didn't stand the test of time and caused more harm to the average Joe than anything else, taking the freedom to decide for themselves from common people. "...free time at all, they could work towards at least some level of autonomy." first, that implies that every person is interested in acquiring that autonomy which they aren't. Second, the current conditions allow ANYONE to obtain the aformentioned autonomy, which by the way, the systems that didn't viewed things "through the capitalist lens" FORBID. Wonder why! "...we enthusiastically keep putting those corporations in charge of everything, because they provide the goods and services that we depend on." except noone puts them in charge, they offer products and if the products fit societys needs, the companies become successfull. "We keep re-creating global feudalism and aristocracy, to the point of even letting corporations gatekeep the way we live and work in the name of security, for a modest fee of course." great buzzwords but no company does that. Security as a concept is governments responsibility or do you imply that Google is your personal bodyguard or something? "The fact that Apple and Google are at the leading edge of wealth inequality..." what are you even talking about at this point? Do you want me to remind you how many people from countries that never had quality education managed to learn new skills thanks to YouTube/Google? Do you want to take a look at how many foreign (to the US) people those companies are hiring? Oh but they have money, here's some more buzzwords, everyone should have 5 bucks in their pocket and no more, regardless of how skilled they are, their comtributions, abilities, property, legacy, etc. At least everyone are going to be "equal" (no). I don't want to delve into your political preferences, but if you want to help "the working class" (whatever it means these days) then teach them money rather than buzzwords and blameshifting.

zackmorris 4y ago

All good points, and all controversial. We're so used to looking at everything through a capitalist lens, that any policies designed to help the average working Joe seem quaint or even downright laughable: "...there is no way to enforce any sort of responsibility..." <- funding enforcement "...Worlds history says that trying to equalize everyones skills leads to skilled workers looking for greener pastures..." <- unions "...so making companies responsible for governments decisions in giving away money to recipients that might not even be related to the industries the companies are operating in?..." <- this is the current lobbying system "(companies paying national debt) ...that's...not how that works..." <- overruns are currently paid disproportionately by the working poor and future generations "(starve the beast of multinational corporations) ...considering that many of those boogeyman corporations are the ones working on automation..." <- for themselves From my perspective, we've created just about the least efficient, least equitable system possible. We have billions of people around the world toiling the entirety of their lives just to survive month to month. If they had any free time at all, they could work towards at least some level of autonomy. But that time is denied to them by the same corporations that profit from them. And we enthusiastically keep putting those corporations in charge of everything, because they provide the goods and services that we depend on. We keep re-creating global feudalism and aristocracy, to the point of even letting corporations gatekeep the way we live and work in the name of security, for a modest fee of course. The fact that Apple and Google are at the leading edge of wealth inequality is perhaps the greatest tragedy of the modern era. It truly breaks my heart.

caramelcustard 4y ago
Ah yes, the best help for the "average working Joe" – just like, make inflation even worse, create a conflict between skilled workers and non-skilled workers, make "Joe" dependent on government "freebies" and on top of that introduce another boogeyman to put the blame on. If you want to help the average Joe let them do their thing without trying to interfere at every step possible just because of someones political preferences. "...funding enforcment" worldwide? The issue is enforcing those caps worldwide, which is impossible. "...unions" except a skilled worker doesn't need a random person or entity deciding what their paycheck is going to amount to. There is a reason why unions worked well in low-skilled jobs as creating a median pay allowed those who were lacking in skills to be at the same level of pay as their more skilled counterparts (consider that we're still talking low skilled jobs). "...this is the current lobbying system." except it isn't and the original comment said that debt should be basically tied to companies because...uhh, they don't know. The lobbying system covers a huge variety of law related things and while companies can lobby, so can private citizens, citizen groups and so on. "...overruns are paid disproportionately..." you sure about that? Folks that are considered rich are already paying over ONE QUARTER of ALL federal revenues collected (and that's in the US). "...for themselves" never knew that all those fancy stock control systems, cash registers, automated book keeping and many more things that SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS and INDIVIDUALS are using on the daily basis, that are developed by those boogeyman corporations and sold for a reasonable price are actually made for the corporations...that are selling them to everyone? Please, do yourself a favour and even if you're not into the business side of things, at least get familiar with how drastically various industries have changed over the years in the context of cheap automation solutions that are available for EVERYONE. "...we've created just about the least efficient, least equitable system possible." that's your perspective. The alternatives didn't stand the test of time and caused more harm to the average Joe than anything else, taking the freedom to decide for themselves from common people. "...free time at all, they could work towards at least some level of autonomy." first, that implies that every person is interested in acquiring that autonomy which they aren't. Second, the current conditions allow ANYONE to obtain the aformentioned autonomy, which by the way, the systems that didn't viewed things "through the capitalist lens" FORBID. Wonder why! "...we enthusiastically keep putting those corporations in charge of everything, because they provide the goods and services that we depend on." except noone puts them in charge, they offer products and if the products fit societys needs, the companies become successfull. "We keep re-creating global feudalism and aristocracy, to the point of even letting corporations gatekeep the way we live and work in the name of security, for a modest fee of course." great buzzwords but no company does that. Security as a concept is governments responsibility or do you imply that Google is your personal bodyguard or something? "The fact that Apple and Google are at the leading edge of wealth inequality..." what are you even talking about at this point? Do you want me to remind you how many people from countries that never had quality education managed to learn new skills thanks to YouTube/Google? Do you want to take a look at how many foreign (to the US) people those companies are hiring? Oh but they have money, here's some more buzzwords, everyone should have 5 bucks in their pocket and no more, regardless of how skilled they are, their comtributions, abilities, property, legacy, etc. At least everyone are going to be "equal" (no). I don't want to delve into your political preferences, but if you want to help "the working class" (whatever it means these days) then teach them money rather than buzzwords and blameshifting.