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Eh, this is the one thing I hoped would push non-tech people like my wife into a more active stance. I showed her one of the related articles discussing apps tr

Eh, this is the one thing I hoped would push non-tech people like my wife into a more active stance. I showed her one of the related articles discussing apps tracking menstrual cycles and poor HIPAA protections in today's world, but the result was sadly the opposite to what I hoped for. In that particular case, addiction to her favorite games clearly outweighed espoused concern of Roe vs Wade impact. It is odd. I was sure it would make more of an impact. Maybe habits are stronger than proclaimed views.

haswell 4y ago
> addiction to her favorite games clearly outweighed espoused concern of Roe vs Wade impact I’m curious, how are the two related?
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  Ahh, sorry, I assumed the connection is clear. Addiction to a set of casual games is preventing her from even considering dropping Facebook or, should we went that route, downgrading to a feature phone. Separately, she is unwilling to log into FB from PC, where there would be more control over what is done that machine. In this case, games are holding her hostage from adopting healthier privacy habits. Now, privacy habits are related to Roe vs Wade in a more nuanced way. Some of the recent articles indicated that some data that could be used to identify women one way or another and puts tech sector in its sights as a result. Hope it makes is a little more clear. I am a little sick so odds are my thoughts are not clearly expressed.
  - haswell 4y ago
    Thanks for the clarification, this does make things a lot more clear. This makes me wonder if there's a good way to help others wake up to the risk. When I chat with friends about Facebook, they acknowledge that they have too much data, and do seem concerned / occasionally disturbed by how much these platforms know about them, but it seems difficult for them to synthesize an understanding of actual risk / potential negative outcome. For awhile, I thought that someone should create a tool/portal/app that would use data from social networks / data brokers / etc. to scare the shit out of people and help them realize how vulnerable they are. But the existence of such a tool would also seem to make the problem worse, especially if it did not have the intended effect (to get people off of these networks). I'm now starting to think that someone needs to create a "Dieting App" for social media users. Something that would help explain and demonstrate the scary state of privacy when using these apps. Not unlike the "Noom" (have not used this before, not an endorsement) approach to dieting. I don't see a way to break these addictions without somehow terrifying the user. That can either happen voluntarily, by willingly exploring the downsides (and this is where some kind of curriculum would be beneficial), or unwillingly, after real people are impacted by real overreach after it's too late.

haswell 4y ago

> addiction to her favorite games clearly outweighed espoused concern of Roe vs Wade impact I’m curious, how are the two related?

A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
Ahh, sorry, I assumed the connection is clear. Addiction to a set of casual games is preventing her from even considering dropping Facebook or, should we went that route, downgrading to a feature phone. Separately, she is unwilling to log into FB from PC, where there would be more control over what is done that machine. In this case, games are holding her hostage from adopting healthier privacy habits. Now, privacy habits are related to Roe vs Wade in a more nuanced way. Some of the recent articles indicated that some data that could be used to identify women one way or another and puts tech sector in its sights as a result. Hope it makes is a little more clear. I am a little sick so odds are my thoughts are not clearly expressed.
- haswell 4y ago
  Thanks for the clarification, this does make things a lot more clear. This makes me wonder if there's a good way to help others wake up to the risk. When I chat with friends about Facebook, they acknowledge that they have too much data, and do seem concerned / occasionally disturbed by how much these platforms know about them, but it seems difficult for them to synthesize an understanding of actual risk / potential negative outcome. For awhile, I thought that someone should create a tool/portal/app that would use data from social networks / data brokers / etc. to scare the shit out of people and help them realize how vulnerable they are. But the existence of such a tool would also seem to make the problem worse, especially if it did not have the intended effect (to get people off of these networks). I'm now starting to think that someone needs to create a "Dieting App" for social media users. Something that would help explain and demonstrate the scary state of privacy when using these apps. Not unlike the "Noom" (have not used this before, not an endorsement) approach to dieting. I don't see a way to break these addictions without somehow terrifying the user. That can either happen voluntarily, by willingly exploring the downsides (and this is where some kind of curriculum would be beneficial), or unwillingly, after real people are impacted by real overreach after it's too late.