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> This actually opens a race to be the best mobile browser, which might well see new entrants. Hahhahahhahahahaha. We will end up with chrome. And developers t

> This actually opens a race to be the best mobile browser, which might well see new entrants. Hahhahahhahahahaha. We will end up with chrome. And developers targeting chrome and safari users being left out because “works best in chrome for my text based website that doesn’t do anything safari can’t do”.

Apocryphon 4y ago
Sounds like Apple needs to work harder to make Safari into a better mobile browser, if you're so sure that Chrome would win.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  There’s other browsers on android. No one uses them. Safari is great. It works. No issues. But developers will do what they did to ie. develop for chrome and shove a banner up blocking safari.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    Again, sounds like Apple needs to do a better job improving Safari. If developers and consumers choose Chrome, it's up to competitors to find a way to disrupt their lead, not engage in monopolistic practices to stop a monopoly.
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      There’s nothing to improve. Developers want push notifications on a web browser for mobile? That’s not an improvement. Firefox is a better browser than chrome but you can’t move people away from chrome. So regardless of what you think. Adding other browsers to iOS will only have a negative long term effect.
      - Apocryphon 4y ago
        Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.
        joshstrange 4y ago
        It's not a shallow dismissal and your comments only prove you either don't understand the landscape or are choosing to ignore what's staring you in the face. Try to use any google property on Safari (or non-chrome browser on any platform) and see all the times Google tries to push you to use Chrome and/or sign into your google account. When logged in it puts a banner at the bottom of every google search and when you aren't logged in it shows a modal that takes 1/3rd of the page. Google reigns supreme on the web from everything from search to email and docs/drive/etc. Their reach is massive. They have in the past and will continue in the future to use that reach to push people to use their browser engine. How does Apple/Safari/Webkit compete with that? It's not that the browser is better but that the sites they visit push them to use a different browser.
        Apocryphon 4y ago
        Apple can double down on privacy and security and brand Safari as the browser that won't steal your data. Own that space, spread the marketing, they have enough capital to create solutions. You might as well ask how iOS can compete with Android. This continuous insistence that Apple is helpless is completely anachronistic and demeaning to Apple itself.
  - tester756 4y ago
    I do use FF
toyg 4y ago
That's self-defeatist. You mentioned IE downthread; IE is not the dominant browser anymore, and the reason for that is not just that MS stagnated, but that it was challenged vigorously by competitors that exploited new opportunities better. This is one such opportunity.
- Miraste 4y ago
  Chrome was better than IE, but it won out not because of technical capabilities but through Google's constant and ruthless exploitation of its web properties and operating systems. That already happens on iOS, and I'm sure a Google SVP reading this ruling just started a project to intensify it.
  - toyg 4y ago
    And by doing so, they painted a massive target on their back. On the EU list, they come just a step under Apple, don't worry.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  Firefox and Opera browsers could run Google apps just fine. Remember the days when Firefox and Opera got a cut down version of gmail, but if you changed the user agent on the browser to chrome it worked just fine. That’s how chrome became popular.
  - toyg 4y ago
    FF took ages to come to mobile. Opera actually became pretty popular in Asia, precisely because they exploited well the move to mobile, and was screwed only by stupid commercial manoeuvers.

Apocryphon 4y ago

Sounds like Apple needs to work harder to make Safari into a better mobile browser, if you're so sure that Chrome would win.

philliphaydon 4y ago
There’s other browsers on android. No one uses them. Safari is great. It works. No issues. But developers will do what they did to ie. develop for chrome and shove a banner up blocking safari.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  Again, sounds like Apple needs to do a better job improving Safari. If developers and consumers choose Chrome, it's up to competitors to find a way to disrupt their lead, not engage in monopolistic practices to stop a monopoly.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    There’s nothing to improve. Developers want push notifications on a web browser for mobile? That’s not an improvement. Firefox is a better browser than chrome but you can’t move people away from chrome. So regardless of what you think. Adding other browsers to iOS will only have a negative long term effect.
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.
      - joshstrange 4y ago
        It's not a shallow dismissal and your comments only prove you either don't understand the landscape or are choosing to ignore what's staring you in the face. Try to use any google property on Safari (or non-chrome browser on any platform) and see all the times Google tries to push you to use Chrome and/or sign into your google account. When logged in it puts a banner at the bottom of every google search and when you aren't logged in it shows a modal that takes 1/3rd of the page. Google reigns supreme on the web from everything from search to email and docs/drive/etc. Their reach is massive. They have in the past and will continue in the future to use that reach to push people to use their browser engine. How does Apple/Safari/Webkit compete with that? It's not that the browser is better but that the sites they visit push them to use a different browser.
        Apocryphon 4y ago
        Apple can double down on privacy and security and brand Safari as the browser that won't steal your data. Own that space, spread the marketing, they have enough capital to create solutions. You might as well ask how iOS can compete with Android. This continuous insistence that Apple is helpless is completely anachronistic and demeaning to Apple itself.
- tester756 4y ago
  I do use FF

toyg 4y ago

That's self-defeatist. You mentioned IE downthread; IE is not the dominant browser anymore, and the reason for that is not just that MS stagnated, but that it was challenged vigorously by competitors that exploited new opportunities better. This is one such opportunity.

Miraste 4y ago
Chrome was better than IE, but it won out not because of technical capabilities but through Google's constant and ruthless exploitation of its web properties and operating systems. That already happens on iOS, and I'm sure a Google SVP reading this ruling just started a project to intensify it.
- toyg 4y ago
  And by doing so, they painted a massive target on their back. On the EU list, they come just a step under Apple, don't worry.
philliphaydon 4y ago
Firefox and Opera browsers could run Google apps just fine. Remember the days when Firefox and Opera got a cut down version of gmail, but if you changed the user agent on the browser to chrome it worked just fine. That’s how chrome became popular.
- toyg 4y ago
  FF took ages to come to mobile. Opera actually became pretty popular in Asia, precisely because they exploited well the move to mobile, and was screwed only by stupid commercial manoeuvers.