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Edit: It is clear that I was an idiot with this comment and my facts are quite wrong. Removed.

darrenf 4y ago
> They might choose to do so with a special version of iPhone that only works in the EU with EU languages and EU carrier bands (no English language strictly necessary because the UK left, remember?)... I think Ireland (and Malta) would like a word: "English remains an official EU language, despite the United Kingdom having left the EU. It remains an official and working language of the EU institutions as long as it is listed as such in Regulation No 1. English is also one of Ireland’s and Malta’s official languages." - quoting https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/languages_en https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  True... forgot them, my apologies to both nations. Though... Apple could just pull out of those nations...
- cm2187 4y ago
  And in all fairness it is the only common language anyway. I read a study that compared the percentage of a generation in the EU that studied a particular foreign language that is not their native language in high school or university. English is north of 95%. The second largest are I think French and Spanish at around 30%. So when you have 27 nationalities in a room, there isn’t really any other practical alternative right now. English is the modern latin, whatever you think of the US, UK or Roman empire.
cm2187 4y ago
EU senate? What senate? For a law to pass, you need the European parliament, the EU commission and the council, no such thing as a EU senate.
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  I edited my comment. I apologize - I was way off on both points.
  - cm2187 4y ago
    Well not completely off, it is true that if the commission and council aren’t on board this bill will be stillborn.
    - M2Ys4U 4y ago
      Well EU law starts off life as a proposal by the Commission, so it's virtually impossible for there to be a proposal passed by Parliament and not have Commission support (unless Parliament has made significant amendments that the Commission does not like, although I'm unaware of this ever happening). Council not agreeing is definitely a potential problem, but given the level of support from the Commission and Parliament I doubt the Council will block this.
      - arlort 4y ago
        Council support (for the general targets/scope) is almost guaranteed before a commission proposal sees the light of day, it might get amended and / or clash with parliament amendments but the fact a proposal has been made is a good indication some form of the law will pass
- arlort 4y ago
  tbf Senate would be a better name for the Council of the EU, reducing by a good half the confusion when talking about "Council" in european politics

> They might choose to do so with a special version of iPhone that only works in the EU with EU languages and EU carrier bands (no English language strictly necessary because the UK left, remember?)... I think Ireland (and Malta) would like a word: "English remains an official EU language, despite the United Kingdom having left the EU. It remains an official and working language of the EU institutions as long as it is listed as such in Regulation No 1. English is also one of Ireland’s and Malta’s official languages." - quoting https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/languages_en https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...

gjsman-1000 4y ago
True... forgot them, my apologies to both nations. Though... Apple could just pull out of those nations...
cm2187 4y ago
And in all fairness it is the only common language anyway. I read a study that compared the percentage of a generation in the EU that studied a particular foreign language that is not their native language in high school or university. English is north of 95%. The second largest are I think French and Spanish at around 30%. So when you have 27 nationalities in a room, there isn’t really any other practical alternative right now. English is the modern latin, whatever you think of the US, UK or Roman empire.

cm2187 4y ago

EU senate? What senate? For a law to pass, you need the European parliament, the EU commission and the council, no such thing as a EU senate.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
I edited my comment. I apologize - I was way off on both points.
- cm2187 4y ago
  Well not completely off, it is true that if the commission and council aren’t on board this bill will be stillborn.
  - M2Ys4U 4y ago
    Well EU law starts off life as a proposal by the Commission, so it's virtually impossible for there to be a proposal passed by Parliament and not have Commission support (unless Parliament has made significant amendments that the Commission does not like, although I'm unaware of this ever happening). Council not agreeing is definitely a potential problem, but given the level of support from the Commission and Parliament I doubt the Council will block this.
    - arlort 4y ago
      Council support (for the general targets/scope) is almost guaranteed before a commission proposal sees the light of day, it might get amended and / or clash with parliament amendments but the fact a proposal has been made is a good indication some form of the law will pass
arlort 4y ago
tbf Senate would be a better name for the Council of the EU, reducing by a good half the confusion when talking about "Council" in european politics