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I'm personally very happy with Safari slowing down the over-arching progress of "Web browsers are an application distribution platform", but I definitely see th

by dijit 4y ago

I'm personally very happy with Safari slowing down the over-arching progress of "Web browsers are an application distribution platform", but I definitely see the value in this. I am very excited about the prospect of having federation between communication platforms... imagine sending messages from iMessage to whatsapp?! great, just like in the mid-00's!

kmlx 4y ago
> great, just like in the mid-00's! funnily enough i was working on apps that did this back in the mid 00s. it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up. in the end it was better for the end user not use those standards and instead we rolled our own. could be different story today but i don’t think so. just the video call feature would be an absolute mess to standardise. hell, even emojis would open up a can of worms. payments between contacts? contacts themselves? i fear this would end up being the mid 00s again.
- tchocky 4y ago
  Emojis are just Unicode characters, why would it be so hard?
  - 3836293648 4y ago
    That's just emoji. Think about Apple's animoji
  - Mikeb85 4y ago
    There's lots of non-standard emojis used by various messaging apps.
- toyg 4y ago
  > the standards simply couldn’t keep up Or rather: developers were so up their own backsides that effectively refused to cooperate. Obviously you go faster if you don't have to talk to anyone, and everybody loves lock-in. Which is why this legislation is welcome.
- weberer 4y ago
  >it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up. The best chat application I ever used was Pidgin circa 2008. It was so easy to be able to talk to all my friends across several different protocols in a single program.
  - giantrobot 4y ago
    Pidgin existed not because IM services provided interoperability but because someone wrote libgaim and equivalents for other protocols. Keeping those up to date was a massive effort.
    - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
      It was still awesome that it was possible to exist, and allowed to exist.

by dijit 4y ago

kmlx 4y ago

> great, just like in the mid-00's! funnily enough i was working on apps that did this back in the mid 00s. it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up. in the end it was better for the end user not use those standards and instead we rolled our own. could be different story today but i don’t think so. just the video call feature would be an absolute mess to standardise. hell, even emojis would open up a can of worms. payments between contacts? contacts themselves? i fear this would end up being the mid 00s again.

tchocky 4y ago
Emojis are just Unicode characters, why would it be so hard?
- 3836293648 4y ago
  That's just emoji. Think about Apple's animoji
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  There's lots of non-standard emojis used by various messaging apps.
toyg 4y ago
> the standards simply couldn’t keep up Or rather: developers were so up their own backsides that effectively refused to cooperate. Obviously you go faster if you don't have to talk to anyone, and everybody loves lock-in. Which is why this legislation is welcome.
weberer 4y ago
>it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up. The best chat application I ever used was Pidgin circa 2008. It was so easy to be able to talk to all my friends across several different protocols in a single program.
- giantrobot 4y ago
  Pidgin existed not because IM services provided interoperability but because someone wrote libgaim and equivalents for other protocols. Keeping those up to date was a massive effort.
  - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
    It was still awesome that it was possible to exist, and allowed to exist.