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Tangential — I wish they or someone else serializes Dune. It’s so tailor made for a tv series. Also looking forward to Three Body Problem from nflx

anshumankmr 4y ago
>I wish they or someone else serializes Dune https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032/
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
  That (and the follow-on) weren't too bad. Much better than Lynch's treatment. I must say, though, that I'm looking forward to part 2 of Villeneuve's Dune.
  - anshumankmr 4y ago
    Haven't had the time to watch it. Working my way through the book.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
      It's pretty much impossible to adequately represent the books as a movie, and even a series can't really do the books justice. The new movie does a fairly decent job of translating the books to live action. The biggest disappointment, for me, in all of the treatments (including the movie), is the way the Fremen are represented. I'm a bit spoiled, as I grew up in Africa, and was familiar with tribes like the Touareg, so I know what real desert-dwellers look like. I'm pretty sure that Herbert wanted them to look like that. Hard to represent, with city-dweller, millionaire actors. Bedouin tribespeople look like dry twigs. Not much soft or fat. It would take serious self-denial to adequately represent. Willem Dafoe would probably be able to represent Stilgar (in my mind). He'd have to go on a diet, and get a tan, though.
  - MikusR 4y ago
    The miniseries and especially Children of Dune are so much better that the recent movie.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
      I find it's a tradeoff. The new movie represents some of the visuals and environment better (in my mind), but skimps on the story. I feel that Baron Harkonnen is better, in the movie. He was almost comedic, in the series. Charlotte Rampling would not have been my choice for the Bene Gesserit mother, but I think she actually works. I'm not too happy with any of the other casting choices, except Gurney Halleck, but, for some strange reason, they never consulted me.
sumtechguy 4y ago
The thing with dune is the first 2 books are perfect for that sort of thing. Then it goes kind of meta weird. Not sure most audiences would be up for that. The last movie I was pumped for. However, I did not realize you could make dune that mind blowing boring. It was very nicely done, but kind of boring. I think that is because the book breaks one of the rules of movies/tv 'show dont tell'. Whereas the dune books are nothing but 'tell'. It is why a lot of Steven King books fall flat in the movies. That can be tough. As that can get rather dull. As you look at what the chars are seeing but you are missing out on their commentary. They tried that in the 84 dune and it just came out awkward.
- cousin_it 4y ago
  > Whereas the dune books are nothing but 'tell'. I still feel like the books could be "shown" quite effectively. For example, think of the first scene in the book: a child sees his mother bring in a mysterious old woman, who then puts the child through a brutal test. In the book, the psychology of that situation is sold through lots of dialogue and internal monologue, but on screen you can make it come across with barely any words at all, by acting and cinematography and music and so on. Similar for other scenes in the book, it has so much cool imagery.

anshumankmr 4y ago

>I wish they or someone else serializes Dune https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032/

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
That (and the follow-on) weren't too bad. Much better than Lynch's treatment. I must say, though, that I'm looking forward to part 2 of Villeneuve's Dune.
- anshumankmr 4y ago
  Haven't had the time to watch it. Working my way through the book.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
    It's pretty much impossible to adequately represent the books as a movie, and even a series can't really do the books justice. The new movie does a fairly decent job of translating the books to live action. The biggest disappointment, for me, in all of the treatments (including the movie), is the way the Fremen are represented. I'm a bit spoiled, as I grew up in Africa, and was familiar with tribes like the Touareg, so I know what real desert-dwellers look like. I'm pretty sure that Herbert wanted them to look like that. Hard to represent, with city-dweller, millionaire actors. Bedouin tribespeople look like dry twigs. Not much soft or fat. It would take serious self-denial to adequately represent. Willem Dafoe would probably be able to represent Stilgar (in my mind). He'd have to go on a diet, and get a tan, though.
- MikusR 4y ago
  The miniseries and especially Children of Dune are so much better that the recent movie.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
    I find it's a tradeoff. The new movie represents some of the visuals and environment better (in my mind), but skimps on the story. I feel that Baron Harkonnen is better, in the movie. He was almost comedic, in the series. Charlotte Rampling would not have been my choice for the Bene Gesserit mother, but I think she actually works. I'm not too happy with any of the other casting choices, except Gurney Halleck, but, for some strange reason, they never consulted me.

sumtechguy 4y ago

The thing with dune is the first 2 books are perfect for that sort of thing. Then it goes kind of meta weird. Not sure most audiences would be up for that. The last movie I was pumped for. However, I did not realize you could make dune that mind blowing boring. It was very nicely done, but kind of boring. I think that is because the book breaks one of the rules of movies/tv 'show dont tell'. Whereas the dune books are nothing but 'tell'. It is why a lot of Steven King books fall flat in the movies. That can be tough. As that can get rather dull. As you look at what the chars are seeing but you are missing out on their commentary. They tried that in the 84 dune and it just came out awkward.

cousin_it 4y ago
> Whereas the dune books are nothing but 'tell'. I still feel like the books could be "shown" quite effectively. For example, think of the first scene in the book: a child sees his mother bring in a mysterious old woman, who then puts the child through a brutal test. In the book, the psychology of that situation is sold through lots of dialogue and internal monologue, but on screen you can make it come across with barely any words at all, by acting and cinematography and music and so on. Similar for other scenes in the book, it has so much cool imagery.