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Batteries don’t turn into garbage when you look real life data: https://maartensteinbuch.com/2015/01/24/tesla-model-s-battery-degradation-data/ https://maarten

Batteries don’t turn into garbage when you look real life data: https://maartensteinbuch.com/2015/01/24/tesla-model-s-battery-degradation-data/ https://maartensteinbuch.com/2015/01/24/tesla-model-s-batter... Quote: On average the batteries have 91% remaining at 270.000 km (170,000 miles). If the linear behavior would continue, then the ‘lifetime’ (still 80% capacity left) can be calculated as follows: 91-80 = 11% times 50.000 km = 550.000 km, plus 270.000 km, gives 820.000 km (510,000 miles)! Note that a ICE car has a average lifetime of 220.000 km (140,000 miles)… And remember: if an ICE fails after say 300.000 km, you have a problem. The battery in a Tesla EV after the suggested 820.000 km (ok, lets take 500.000 km, still great!) still has 80% capacity left!

bb88 4y ago
That may be. We'll need to wait for the data, which could go off a cliff still. But what we do know is if you have an outlier, it's pretty damn costly. https://people.com/human-interest/tesla-owner-blows-up-his-car-when-faced-with-22000-repair-bill https://people.com/human-interest/tesla-owner-blows-up-his-c...
- jurmous 4y ago
  There are cheaper ways to repair it outside Tesla: https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/ https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacemen... Tesla tried to charge $22,500 for new battery pack when a $5,000 repair did the trick While Tesla recently started opening up some of its diagnostic tools to third parties, the automaker still has a lot of limitations when it comes to powertrain diagnostics. Electrified Garage uses some hacks to get past that and figure out what is wrong with the pack. In this case, they detected some voltage imbalances in 2 of the 16 battery modules: So how much did it cost? The modules were $1,500 each, for a total of $3,000. Another $750 in parts for contractors and fuses, with the main one being upgraded to the ones introduced in the Model S Ludicrous. With diagnostic and labor, it came up to about $5,000, or about 75% less than Tesla was quoting for a full battery pack replacement.
  - bb88 4y ago
    I'm more curious how much money he made off the youtube video. If it was anywhere close to $5K, it would seem that maybe exploding Teslas at their end of life would become a profitable thing to do.
senectus1 4y ago
>Batteries don’t turn into garbage when you look real life data Not really the same thing, but anecdotally my hybrid Camry just ticked over 220k km the fuel efficiency is a good way to check (NiMH) battery performance over those 10 years. when we first got it, we got about 4.6lts per 100km. in the middle there it blew out to about 6ltrs for a while but discovered the injectors were screwed, replaced them (au$2800) and ever since we've been hovering around 4.8 to 5.2 (depending on weather for heating and cooling requirements).

bb88 4y ago

That may be. We'll need to wait for the data, which could go off a cliff still. But what we do know is if you have an outlier, it's pretty damn costly. https://people.com/human-interest/tesla-owner-blows-up-his-car-when-faced-with-22000-repair-bill https://people.com/human-interest/tesla-owner-blows-up-his-c...

jurmous 4y ago
There are cheaper ways to repair it outside Tesla: https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/ https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacemen... Tesla tried to charge $22,500 for new battery pack when a $5,000 repair did the trick While Tesla recently started opening up some of its diagnostic tools to third parties, the automaker still has a lot of limitations when it comes to powertrain diagnostics. Electrified Garage uses some hacks to get past that and figure out what is wrong with the pack. In this case, they detected some voltage imbalances in 2 of the 16 battery modules: So how much did it cost? The modules were $1,500 each, for a total of $3,000. Another $750 in parts for contractors and fuses, with the main one being upgraded to the ones introduced in the Model S Ludicrous. With diagnostic and labor, it came up to about $5,000, or about 75% less than Tesla was quoting for a full battery pack replacement.
- bb88 4y ago
  I'm more curious how much money he made off the youtube video. If it was anywhere close to $5K, it would seem that maybe exploding Teslas at their end of life would become a profitable thing to do.

senectus1 4y ago

>Batteries don’t turn into garbage when you look real life data Not really the same thing, but anecdotally my hybrid Camry just ticked over 220k km the fuel efficiency is a good way to check (NiMH) battery performance over those 10 years. when we first got it, we got about 4.6lts per 100km. in the middle there it blew out to about 6ltrs for a while but discovered the injectors were screwed, replaced them (au$2800) and ever since we've been hovering around 4.8 to 5.2 (depending on weather for heating and cooling requirements).