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If people are doing what you’re claiming, it isn’t CRT (which, remember stands for "critical race theory"). I personally have no reason to believe that people a

If people are doing what you’re claiming, it isn’t CRT (which, remember stands for "critical race theory"). I personally have no reason to believe that people are doing what you’re claiming. What’s more likely is that people are saying "white people owned slaves" (fact, although disputed by the BoE in Texas), "the American Civil War was fought over slavery" (again, fact, disputed by pretty much all of the Republican party in 2022), "even after the racists lost, they caused more than a century of terror and division" (once again, absolute fact), and "even though civil rights legislation was passed and upheld to end that terror and division, the Republican Party and Supreme Court have steadily been eroding all of the gains in civil rights" (fact). There are parents and Fox News Ninnies that are seeing these or similar factual statements and other factual statements as stated in the 1619 project and are completely freaking the fuck out and calling it "CRT" because they heard that term one day from people who look like them and they don’t want to think that they should perhaps be ashamed of the Confederate "heritage" of which they claim to be so proud (remember, most statues of the Confederate traitors weren’t put up until the 1900s). There are people — way too many people, and way too many on HN itself — who don’t see any problem with advancing the completely debunked and grossly racist Replacement Theory. Are you doing that? Nope. But you’re sure as hell carrying their water by pretending that talking straight about systemic racism, historic racism, and ongoing racism and bias against minorities is itself racism. White kids aren’t being told they are bad. White kids are being told that they are beneficiaries of undeserved bias in favour of them. They aren’t bad: society itself is bad, and there needs to be strong action against this. And this, like everything else that I’ve actually said in the threads here, is 100% indisputable fact.

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- halostatue 4y ago
  You have disqualified yourself from this discussion by pretending that the US Civil War was not at its very root about the right to own slaves. Three of the articles of secession refer to slavery specifically. When you carry the water for people who lie about these basic facts, you are working against basic truth yourself, so don’t be surprised to be counted among them.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    You are moving the goal posts. The Civil War and secession are two distinct events. Nice try though. When you can't make an actual argument distract.
    - halostatue 4y ago
      The American Civil War was started by South Carolina with an attack on Fort Sumter very shortly after South Carolina passed its articles of secession. (Source: 7th grade South Carolina history.) Those are not two distinct events, they are one and the same. The people whose water you’re carrying have been lying to you your entire life and you’re happily helping them with your nonsense. I did get one thing wrong; it wasn’t the Texas Board of Education that wanted to hide the fact that Texas was a slave state (although several members pushed for "involuntary relocation", which is both offensive and ahistorical). It was the Texas legislature (https://archive.ph/wGe8Z https://archive.ph/wGe8Z) who wished to hide the fact that the original Texians were illegal immigrants to Mexico who brought their slaves with them against Mexican law and other "inconvenient facts" which, to them, defame the "great state of Texas". It’s hard to remember exactly which agency in Texas is responsible for the most outrageous statements, since they’re all Republican outrage monsters these days, so I think I can be forgiven that one small error.
      - _-david-_ 4y ago
        I'm not going to respond to everything since you have once again moved the goal posts. I'm ignoring the different part of government doing what you are saying, since it isn't relevant. Originally you said "What’s more likely is that people are saying "white people owned slaves" (fact, although disputed by the BoE in Texas)" Now what you are saying is there was an attempt to deny "the fact that Texas was a slave state" Well which was it? Denial whites owned slaves or denial Texas was a slave state? There is no point of continuing when you can't remain on topic and address the points I am trying to make about something like CRT being taught in elementary schools. I wonder why you didn't even address the CRT part and are harping on something unrelated.

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halostatue 4y ago
You have disqualified yourself from this discussion by pretending that the US Civil War was not at its very root about the right to own slaves. Three of the articles of secession refer to slavery specifically. When you carry the water for people who lie about these basic facts, you are working against basic truth yourself, so don’t be surprised to be counted among them.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  You are moving the goal posts. The Civil War and secession are two distinct events. Nice try though. When you can't make an actual argument distract.
  - halostatue 4y ago
    The American Civil War was started by South Carolina with an attack on Fort Sumter very shortly after South Carolina passed its articles of secession. (Source: 7th grade South Carolina history.) Those are not two distinct events, they are one and the same. The people whose water you’re carrying have been lying to you your entire life and you’re happily helping them with your nonsense. I did get one thing wrong; it wasn’t the Texas Board of Education that wanted to hide the fact that Texas was a slave state (although several members pushed for "involuntary relocation", which is both offensive and ahistorical). It was the Texas legislature (https://archive.ph/wGe8Z https://archive.ph/wGe8Z) who wished to hide the fact that the original Texians were illegal immigrants to Mexico who brought their slaves with them against Mexican law and other "inconvenient facts" which, to them, defame the "great state of Texas". It’s hard to remember exactly which agency in Texas is responsible for the most outrageous statements, since they’re all Republican outrage monsters these days, so I think I can be forgiven that one small error.
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      I'm not going to respond to everything since you have once again moved the goal posts. I'm ignoring the different part of government doing what you are saying, since it isn't relevant. Originally you said "What’s more likely is that people are saying "white people owned slaves" (fact, although disputed by the BoE in Texas)" Now what you are saying is there was an attempt to deny "the fact that Texas was a slave state" Well which was it? Denial whites owned slaves or denial Texas was a slave state? There is no point of continuing when you can't remain on topic and address the points I am trying to make about something like CRT being taught in elementary schools. I wonder why you didn't even address the CRT part and are harping on something unrelated.