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This is true. It’s also true that “your body” is just a social construct. The rabbit hole of “property is just an idea” doesn’t end well for humans who seek age

by cellis 4y ago

This is true. It’s also true that “your body” is just a social construct. The rabbit hole of “property is just an idea” doesn’t end well for humans who seek agency.

pessimizer 4y ago
That "property" is just a series of laws and agreements that we can change arbitrarily is neither a tricky concept nor a slippery slope. A body is not a series of laws and agreements that we can change arbitrarily, it's a hunk of meat. "Your body" can be a social construct if you want it to be, but that probably means that you're having a disassociative episode.
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
  Chattel slavery wants a word with you.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > Chattel slavery wants a word with you Chattel slavery underlines the point. What is and isn’t property is decided, arbitrarily, by people. Because property is a social construct. What is and isn’t someone’s body does not depend on others accepting it has meaning. How it’s treated does. But my body has inherent value to me independent of others’ perceptions of it. This is, at its core, the problem with slavery. If we reject property being a social construct we reject the fact that the government, a social construct itself, could have legalised and then outlawed slavery. Because if property is inherently meaningful, how can the government poof it away?
yellowapple 4y ago
Land exists independently of your labor, predating and (hopefully) postdating your existence by billions of years. Your body does not.
- cellis 4y ago
  "Your body" is a hierarchy of cells, cellular processes, and organs, all of which consume energy. And in increasingly many cases, "your body" has prosthetic augmentations or very difficult to produce medicine, without which you will cease to survive. If you can argue that those things are "human rights", then I can easily argue that "human rights" include shelter, peace of mind, a basketball court, ad infinitum. Perhaps more accurately: property is simply an extension of humanity that is granted by other humans. Again, taking away "property" won't end well for humans who wish to control their destiny, as parts of "your body" could gradually be deemed "property" and now you're at risk of life and liberty.

by cellis 4y ago

This is true. It’s also true that “your body” is just a social construct. The rabbit hole of “property is just an idea” doesn’t end well for humans who seek agency.

pessimizer 4y ago

That "property" is just a series of laws and agreements that we can change arbitrarily is neither a tricky concept nor a slippery slope. A body is not a series of laws and agreements that we can change arbitrarily, it's a hunk of meat. "Your body" can be a social construct if you want it to be, but that probably means that you're having a disassociative episode.

TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
Chattel slavery wants a word with you.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Chattel slavery wants a word with you Chattel slavery underlines the point. What is and isn’t property is decided, arbitrarily, by people. Because property is a social construct. What is and isn’t someone’s body does not depend on others accepting it has meaning. How it’s treated does. But my body has inherent value to me independent of others’ perceptions of it. This is, at its core, the problem with slavery. If we reject property being a social construct we reject the fact that the government, a social construct itself, could have legalised and then outlawed slavery. Because if property is inherently meaningful, how can the government poof it away?

yellowapple 4y ago

Land exists independently of your labor, predating and (hopefully) postdating your existence by billions of years. Your body does not.

cellis 4y ago
"Your body" is a hierarchy of cells, cellular processes, and organs, all of which consume energy. And in increasingly many cases, "your body" has prosthetic augmentations or very difficult to produce medicine, without which you will cease to survive. If you can argue that those things are "human rights", then I can easily argue that "human rights" include shelter, peace of mind, a basketball court, ad infinitum. Perhaps more accurately: property is simply an extension of humanity that is granted by other humans. Again, taking away "property" won't end well for humans who wish to control their destiny, as parts of "your body" could gradually be deemed "property" and now you're at risk of life and liberty.