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To clarify the matter of the recent (post-Reagan/George H. W. Bush) US popular vote for President, the Democratic candidate has won the popular vote in each Pre
by oxfeed65261 4y ago
To clarify the matter of the recent (post-Reagan/George H. W. Bush) US popular vote for President, the Democratic candidate has won the popular vote in each Presidential election starting in 1992 except for 2004 (George W. Bush re-election vs. John Kerry). During that period, Republicans won the Electoral vote and thus the presidency in 2000 (George W. Bush initial election vs. Al Gore) and 2016 (Donald Trump election vs. Hillary Clinton).
Put another way:
The Democratic candidate won the popular vote and Electoral College in:
1992
1996
2008
2012
2020
The Democratic candidate won the popular vote and the Republican candidate won the Electoral College in:
2000
2016
The Republican candidate won the popular vote and the Electoral College in:
2004
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- jquery 4y agoExcellent comment, I’ll be saving this if you don’t mind… really lays out just how a large fraction of the country has some very legitimate grievances about the fairness of our elections.
- shapefrog 4y ago> fairness of our elections. That isnt about fairness of the elections, that is fairness of the system of representational democracy implemented.
- skinnymuch 4y agoWhich isn’t fair.
- tomp 4y agoYou do realize, right, that if the rules were different, the people would vote differently? E.g. if popular vote was what mattered, more Republicans in California would bother voting. So you can’t really claim “Democrats would win the popular vote elections”
- shlurpy 4y agoThen you would support an effort to get rid of the EC and increase democracy?
- tomp 4y agoIncreasing democracy definitely isn't my goal; it's increasing freedom. Remember, Hitler was democratically elected. To preserve freedom, democracy requires many different safeguards (e.g. constitutionally guaranteed rights, "majority cannot oppress minority", etc.). That said, I'm not opposed to eliminating EC. I think both EC and popular vote have their pluses and minuses. But then, I'm not an American, so...