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by birdyrooster 4y ago

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pepperonipizza 4y ago
Most of the shootings in US towns seem to be gang related.
- birdyrooster 4y ago
  Those aren’t the shootings I am worried about, I’m not the target
  - timapplesauce 4y ago
- makk 4y ago
  And what if they are? What difference would that make?
  - moomoo11 4y ago
    The gangsters aren’t affected by gun control laws.
    - timeon 4y ago
      Is this true? I imagine that if there is easier access to guns in general then there are more sources for criminals as well. Gangs usually do not us guns were I am from.
      - timapplesauce 4y ago
        It’s pretty easy for gangs to acquire cocaine and that’s illegal pretty much everywhere. Even if you could wave a magic wand and disarm the American populace gangs would still be able to get guns from dirty cops, military arms dealers, or just get them from war zones. There’s virtually no accountability of the military aid that we send overseas to support our side in proxy wars.
jollybean 4y ago
That kind of violence is extremely rare, moreover, it happens by extremists on 'all sides' and pales in comparison to the likelihood you will be robbed/killed for all the normal reasons, and, if you live anywhere 'normal' in the US, the likelihood of any of that is actually quite low, almost (but not quite) on par with most other countries. Despite what the headlines might have us believe. That this is the second weirdly cynical comment espousing hugely aggrandized mistruths, this is more evidence of something odd going on than otherwise. I think we should be just as much concerned about misinformation as anything else. Unless you are in a really bad neighbourhood, or into some very bad things, odds are you are quite safe.
- makk 4y ago
  > On par with most other countries That's interesting. Do you have a source for that? Would help others appreciate what you're seeing.
  - jollybean 4y ago
    Here's 2016 murder data for Illinois cities. Really bad crime is fairly concentrated. Outside of those ugly spots, it's something resembling normalcy. America has a wicked gang/urban violence problem in 'hot spots'. And then a more 'common problem' everywhere else, of a different nature. And of course political/active shooter type killings are actually quite rare. Though they are way more frequent in the USA then elsewhere, and are a serious kind of 'civic problem' - they don't actually represent an risk to individuals. There's about 1 'mass shooter' per day in the US, the average deaths per mass shooter is quite small (or 0), and so it doesn't really move the needle. It's something we want to be 'concerned about' not 'afraid of'. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-6/table-6-state-cuts/illinois.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
jhanschoo 4y ago
Speak of the devil there was just a mass shooting at Highland Park, Illinois

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pepperonipizza 4y ago

Most of the shootings in US towns seem to be gang related.

birdyrooster 4y ago
Those aren’t the shootings I am worried about, I’m not the target
- timapplesauce 4y ago
makk 4y ago
And what if they are? What difference would that make?
- moomoo11 4y ago
  The gangsters aren’t affected by gun control laws.
  - timeon 4y ago
    Is this true? I imagine that if there is easier access to guns in general then there are more sources for criminals as well. Gangs usually do not us guns were I am from.
    - timapplesauce 4y ago
      It’s pretty easy for gangs to acquire cocaine and that’s illegal pretty much everywhere. Even if you could wave a magic wand and disarm the American populace gangs would still be able to get guns from dirty cops, military arms dealers, or just get them from war zones. There’s virtually no accountability of the military aid that we send overseas to support our side in proxy wars.

jollybean 4y ago

That kind of violence is extremely rare, moreover, it happens by extremists on 'all sides' and pales in comparison to the likelihood you will be robbed/killed for all the normal reasons, and, if you live anywhere 'normal' in the US, the likelihood of any of that is actually quite low, almost (but not quite) on par with most other countries. Despite what the headlines might have us believe. That this is the second weirdly cynical comment espousing hugely aggrandized mistruths, this is more evidence of something odd going on than otherwise. I think we should be just as much concerned about misinformation as anything else. Unless you are in a really bad neighbourhood, or into some very bad things, odds are you are quite safe.

makk 4y ago
> On par with most other countries That's interesting. Do you have a source for that? Would help others appreciate what you're seeing.
- jollybean 4y ago
  Here's 2016 murder data for Illinois cities. Really bad crime is fairly concentrated. Outside of those ugly spots, it's something resembling normalcy. America has a wicked gang/urban violence problem in 'hot spots'. And then a more 'common problem' everywhere else, of a different nature. And of course political/active shooter type killings are actually quite rare. Though they are way more frequent in the USA then elsewhere, and are a serious kind of 'civic problem' - they don't actually represent an risk to individuals. There's about 1 'mass shooter' per day in the US, the average deaths per mass shooter is quite small (or 0), and so it doesn't really move the needle. It's something we want to be 'concerned about' not 'afraid of'. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-6/table-6-state-cuts/illinois.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

jhanschoo 4y ago

Speak of the devil there was just a mass shooting at Highland Park, Illinois