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> Essentially, it would be like saying except the n-word is considered so offensive, it's offensive in any context, hence why you said "n-word", which is not a

by Chris2048 4y ago

> Essentially, it would be like saying except the n-word is considered so offensive, it's offensive in any context, hence why you said "n-word", which is not at all true for "TERF". > GP was pointing out that.. is this different from "claiming"? because I disagree with this point; burden is on you to demonstrate that this constitutes "counter evidence".

Akronymus 4y ago
> it's offensive in any context What about black people calling each other that? What about it being used in rap?
- Chris2048 4y ago
  those wouldn't be forum posts
  - Akronymus 4y ago
    So, you are excluding certain contexts? In your own words it was any context.
    - Chris2048 4y ago
      any context in the context discussed ie hn posts. In an alternate universe it wouldn't be offensive either, yet this isn't a "gotcha" over my use of "any". At some point it require of you common sense, unless you are purposefully trolling.
      - Akronymus 4y ago
        For me, any seemed to imply ANY, as in without limitations. But it seems I misunderstood your original comment.
tsimionescu 4y ago
If a term is offensive to a group, at least when used by someone outside the group, it's always offensive when used to refer to that group. While I can discuss the word "fag" without feeling a need to censor it, I would never use it to refer to gay people explicitly *. TERF is not the same - even for you, it was the term that came easiest to use, because there is no other word that describes feminists opposed to trans rights so easily without writing a whole explanation. It's not an offensive term, except that many people find their sincere beliefs offensive. It's most similar to "socialist" as used on the right - intended to indicate someone holds offensive beliefs, but not offensive when used about someone who is, in fact, a socialist. * except perhaps in jokes, with someone who knows me well enough to know I can't mean any offense, but that is a completely different discussion
- Chris2048 4y ago
  > because there is no other word I disagree, gender critical is also appropriate. > it was the term that came easiest to use it was easiest for describing the group to which the term is applied, yes, this proves nothing else about that group eg about people who are not TERFs but to whom the label is applied. > feminists opposed to trans rights so easily without writing a whole explanation I don't think the term is self explanatory (what does "exclude" mean) nor that this description is correct (feminists that don't consider trans women as women don't necessarily oppose separate trans rights). > It's not an offensive term, except that many people find their sincere beliefs offensive that's not how slurs work. > It's most similar to "socialist" except socialists self describe/label, where many TERFs do not.

Akronymus 4y ago

> it's offensive in any context What about black people calling each other that? What about it being used in rap?

Chris2048 4y ago
those wouldn't be forum posts
- Akronymus 4y ago
  So, you are excluding certain contexts? In your own words it was any context.
  - Chris2048 4y ago
    any context in the context discussed ie hn posts. In an alternate universe it wouldn't be offensive either, yet this isn't a "gotcha" over my use of "any". At some point it require of you common sense, unless you are purposefully trolling.
    - Akronymus 4y ago
      For me, any seemed to imply ANY, as in without limitations. But it seems I misunderstood your original comment.

tsimionescu 4y ago

If a term is offensive to a group, at least when used by someone outside the group, it's always offensive when used to refer to that group. While I can discuss the word "fag" without feeling a need to censor it, I would never use it to refer to gay people explicitly *. TERF is not the same - even for you, it was the term that came easiest to use, because there is no other word that describes feminists opposed to trans rights so easily without writing a whole explanation. It's not an offensive term, except that many people find their sincere beliefs offensive. It's most similar to "socialist" as used on the right - intended to indicate someone holds offensive beliefs, but not offensive when used about someone who is, in fact, a socialist. * except perhaps in jokes, with someone who knows me well enough to know I can't mean any offense, but that is a completely different discussion

Chris2048 4y ago
> because there is no other word I disagree, gender critical is also appropriate. > it was the term that came easiest to use it was easiest for describing the group to which the term is applied, yes, this proves nothing else about that group eg about people who are not TERFs but to whom the label is applied. > feminists opposed to trans rights so easily without writing a whole explanation I don't think the term is self explanatory (what does "exclude" mean) nor that this description is correct (feminists that don't consider trans women as women don't necessarily oppose separate trans rights). > It's not an offensive term, except that many people find their sincere beliefs offensive that's not how slurs work. > It's most similar to "socialist" except socialists self describe/label, where many TERFs do not.