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Who the rural folks in Georgia keep voting for? In record numbers? You're kind of making my point. However, yes, these rural folks ARE the ones standing in f

by bsder 4y ago

Who the rural folks in Georgia keep voting for? In record numbers? You're kind of making my point. However, yes, these rural folks ARE the ones standing in front of abortion clinics and assaulting people and shooting doctors. They ARE the ones who drove up to Washinton, DC, to take part in an insurrection. etc. All at the behest of a really shitty conman from New York and his criminal cohort. I can go on if you would like? These rural people ARE shoving the pointy end of the stick into people. Directly and individually as well as with their votes.

rayiner 4y ago
> Who the rural folks in Georgia keep voting for? In record numbers? It’s an error to assume that “big business” is a homogenous undifferentiated entity. A central source of conflict in nations has always been that different regions of the country have different economic interests. The recent alignment of Wall Street and Silicon Valley with the Democratic Party reflects the fact that the knowledge economy and globalism, combined with mass immigration, benefits NYC and SF at the expense of the south and Midwest. Folks in rural Georgia correctly perceive that these economic trends are contrary to their interests and vote against them. > However, yes, these rural folks ARE the ones standing in front of abortion clinics and assaulting people and shooting doctors. They ARE the ones who drove up to Washinton, DC, to take part in an insurrection. etc. It’s remarkable how the elite have convinced themselves that they aren’t the elite. You’re a FAANG engineer or Wall Streeter making half a million dollars a year? Simply by declaring your support for vaguely defined marginalized groups (in a way that doesn’t actually cost you anything, of course) you can transform yourself into the victim and some rioting rednecks into the real threat. The folks who were never cut out for college and whose jobs have been exported to China? They’re actually muggers holding a knife to the throat of good people in Silicon Valley and Wall Street who are “doing good while doing well.”
- chowchowchow 4y ago
  Why do you run to a victim/perpetrator binary. It’s totally possible to observe that people’s behavior is wildly inappropriate without any baggage of claiming victimhood. Seems like projection for you to go there. Jan 6 was totally inappropriate, bombing abortion clinics is totally inappropriate. Defending people or politicians who support those acts seems like a strange position to take, to put it mildly. Do you have a response or will you change the subject to mock a straw man for claiming victimhood. Also, dude, these are your downtrodden forgotten rural masses: the trump rioters all paid their way to go to DC on a workday! Including hotels, airfare, you name it. Give me a break with this crap about them being under the thumb of the oppressive elites, it’s mawkish sentimentality and blatant rationalization for misbehavior.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    > Jan 6 was totally inappropriate, bombing abortion clinics is totally inappropriate. Obviously. > Defending people or politicians who support those acts seems like a strange position to take, to put it mildly. I'm not defending it I'm calling it a red herring. > Also, dude, these are your downtrodden forgotten rural masses: the trump rioters all paid their way to go to DC on a workday! Including hotels, airfare, you name it. America is a rich country where many bartenders can afford airfare on a weekday. That does not change the power and economic dynamic between MGT's district and NYC/SF.
    - chowchowchow 4y ago
      Ok well what is this then? Do the voters of GA and Trump rioters have agency or not? If they do then what’s wrong with calling them out. You’re sounding a bit condescending saying they’re just being swept by forces beyond their control and shouldn’t be criticized for it (or that it’s somehow a red herring to).
      - rayiner 4y ago
        The point I’m discussing with @bsder is about who is holding the “pointy stick.” As nutty and stupid as MTG’s district may be for voting for her, the elites calling them such are still the ones holding the pointy stick. They have the money and the power, while those rural Georgians have gotten the short end of the stick from globalization. Focusing on MTG’s antics to distract from that fundamental fact of life is objectionable. As to your point about criticism, I think it’s fine to criticize them for supporting MTG. But note that the seat had been held since 2010 by a normal Republican before her, who opposed Trump but won re-election anyway in 2018. Before that it was held by Nathan Deal, a became governor of Georgia and was known for having a very friendly relationship with the then-mayor of Atlanta. Do you think there is a reason they picked someone different in 2020? I will also point out that the media applies extreme double standards about this criticism. There’s lots of nutty ideas floating around the leadership of low-education communities in the US. Look at the folks connected to Louis Farrakhan and the NOI. But the media soft peddles that because apparently only white people have moral agency.

by bsder 4y ago

rayiner 4y ago

> Who the rural folks in Georgia keep voting for? In record numbers? It’s an error to assume that “big business” is a homogenous undifferentiated entity. A central source of conflict in nations has always been that different regions of the country have different economic interests. The recent alignment of Wall Street and Silicon Valley with the Democratic Party reflects the fact that the knowledge economy and globalism, combined with mass immigration, benefits NYC and SF at the expense of the south and Midwest. Folks in rural Georgia correctly perceive that these economic trends are contrary to their interests and vote against them. > However, yes, these rural folks ARE the ones standing in front of abortion clinics and assaulting people and shooting doctors. They ARE the ones who drove up to Washinton, DC, to take part in an insurrection. etc. It’s remarkable how the elite have convinced themselves that they aren’t the elite. You’re a FAANG engineer or Wall Streeter making half a million dollars a year? Simply by declaring your support for vaguely defined marginalized groups (in a way that doesn’t actually cost you anything, of course) you can transform yourself into the victim and some rioting rednecks into the real threat. The folks who were never cut out for college and whose jobs have been exported to China? They’re actually muggers holding a knife to the throat of good people in Silicon Valley and Wall Street who are “doing good while doing well.”

chowchowchow 4y ago
Why do you run to a victim/perpetrator binary. It’s totally possible to observe that people’s behavior is wildly inappropriate without any baggage of claiming victimhood. Seems like projection for you to go there. Jan 6 was totally inappropriate, bombing abortion clinics is totally inappropriate. Defending people or politicians who support those acts seems like a strange position to take, to put it mildly. Do you have a response or will you change the subject to mock a straw man for claiming victimhood. Also, dude, these are your downtrodden forgotten rural masses: the trump rioters all paid their way to go to DC on a workday! Including hotels, airfare, you name it. Give me a break with this crap about them being under the thumb of the oppressive elites, it’s mawkish sentimentality and blatant rationalization for misbehavior.
- rayiner 4y ago
  > Jan 6 was totally inappropriate, bombing abortion clinics is totally inappropriate. Obviously. > Defending people or politicians who support those acts seems like a strange position to take, to put it mildly. I'm not defending it I'm calling it a red herring. > Also, dude, these are your downtrodden forgotten rural masses: the trump rioters all paid their way to go to DC on a workday! Including hotels, airfare, you name it. America is a rich country where many bartenders can afford airfare on a weekday. That does not change the power and economic dynamic between MGT's district and NYC/SF.
  - chowchowchow 4y ago
    Ok well what is this then? Do the voters of GA and Trump rioters have agency or not? If they do then what’s wrong with calling them out. You’re sounding a bit condescending saying they’re just being swept by forces beyond their control and shouldn’t be criticized for it (or that it’s somehow a red herring to).
    - rayiner 4y ago
      The point I’m discussing with @bsder is about who is holding the “pointy stick.” As nutty and stupid as MTG’s district may be for voting for her, the elites calling them such are still the ones holding the pointy stick. They have the money and the power, while those rural Georgians have gotten the short end of the stick from globalization. Focusing on MTG’s antics to distract from that fundamental fact of life is objectionable. As to your point about criticism, I think it’s fine to criticize them for supporting MTG. But note that the seat had been held since 2010 by a normal Republican before her, who opposed Trump but won re-election anyway in 2018. Before that it was held by Nathan Deal, a became governor of Georgia and was known for having a very friendly relationship with the then-mayor of Atlanta. Do you think there is a reason they picked someone different in 2020? I will also point out that the media applies extreme double standards about this criticism. There’s lots of nutty ideas floating around the leadership of low-education communities in the US. Look at the folks connected to Louis Farrakhan and the NOI. But the media soft peddles that because apparently only white people have moral agency.