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I'm one of the 6.8%. Very low LDL. Taking questions. Bet let's get this out of the way first: I eat a lot of carbohydrates.

mise_en_place 4y ago
I have very low LDL but I’d trade it for higher testosterone levels. Last test check was 200 ng/dl. I’m not a hardgainer body type either, but due to aromatase converting my T into E my body ends up storing more fat.
- TimedToasts 4y ago
  Don't accept low t - see your doctor and if your doctor won't there are T-specific clinic in your area that will be happy to help.
- moosedev 4y ago
  Do you have any sources or additional info on the latter? How did you determine that aromatase is the culprit? Thanks.
- dubswithus 4y ago
  Decrease in testosterone as you grow older may be cardio protective. It seems like it's currently unknown. Do you have your T levels tested every year?
PainfullyNormal 4y ago
How about seed oils?
- MattGaiser 4y ago
  Are seed oils some new health trend? I keep seeing people mention them in health discussions.
  - PainfullyNormal 4y ago
    The opposite. https://fireinabottle.net/ https://fireinabottle.net/
  - hirundo 4y ago
    There's a lot of evidence that PUFAs are obesogenic and diabetogenic. Their consumption increase broadly tracks the epidemics of both. E.g. https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Soybean-Oil-Is-More-Obesogenic-and-Diabetogenic-Oil-Deol-Evans/6794028d3bbf6c2d8bb7f6a6b5d9e671dbf8b247 https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Soybean-Oil-Is-More-Ob... If the effect is real it takes place over decades, gradually damaging mitochondria, making it difficult to cover with RCTs.
    - Entinel 4y ago
      "A lot" is a stretch. There is some evidence in mice and a few hypothesis but I certaintly wouldn't say "a lot." The exception to this I would say is soybean oil. There is a decent amount of research pointing in direction that soybean oil isn't great.
      - rafaelero 4y ago
        Added oil should be kept at minimum. It doesn't matter the source. But of course this is not the main reason for the obesity epidemic; people just like to find easy culprits instead of looking at the culture around food in the US.
        SamPatt 4y ago
        I believe the case against seed oils isn't about them causing obesity, but heart disease.
        PainfullyNormal 4y ago
        I've seen convincing cases for both. Obesity: https://fireinabottle.net/how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-i/ https://fireinabottle.net/how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stre... Heart Disease: https://www.jeffnobbs.com/posts/death-by-vegetable-oil-what-the-studies-say https://www.jeffnobbs.com/posts/death-by-vegetable-oil-what-...
- xwdv 4y ago
  Do NOT consume seed oils. Go in your pantry and throw away anything that lists some kind of seed oil as an ingredient.
  - austinjp 4y ago
    Why? * * By which I mean with references. And yes, big farma, etc etc, but really, decent studies please.
    - PainfullyNormal 4y ago
      Buckle up, because Brad Marshall over at fireinabottle.net has a six part series on this complete with footnotes. https://fireinabottle.net/how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-i/ https://fireinabottle.net/how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stre... https://fireinabottle.net/the-mitochondrial-bottleneck-as-the-carburetor-screw-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-ii/ https://fireinabottle.net/the-mitochondrial-bottleneck-as-th... https://fireinabottle.net/acetylation-turns-on-lipogenic-genes-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-iii/ https://fireinabottle.net/acetylation-turns-on-lipogenic-gen... https://fireinabottle.net/what-happens-to-seed-oils-when-you-eat-them-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-iv/ https://fireinabottle.net/what-happens-to-seed-oils-when-you... https://fireinabottle.net/seed-oils-make-lean-people-behave-like-fat-people-metabolically-speaking-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-v/ https://fireinabottle.net/seed-oils-make-lean-people-behave-... https://fireinabottle.net/pufa-as-an-obesogen-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-vi/ https://fireinabottle.net/pufa-as-an-obesogen-how-seed-oils-...
      - lr4444lr 4y ago
        What about whole nuts and seeds from which they're derived? Do they cause the same effect? I find this all a little hard to believe given that obese people tend to consume animal fats at a higher rate than non-obese people, nationwide changes notwithstanding.
        PainfullyNormal 4y ago
- dubswithus 4y ago
  I don't consume any oils. Of course if I'm eating out or at someone's house it can be outside my control.
cableshaft 4y ago
What's your exercise regimen look like?
- dubswithus 4y ago
  Right now I'm doing 30-40+ miles of running a week. It's on concrete and asphalt with extremely high humidity and I'm still attempting to adapt. Will be starting a strength training program soon because I'm kind of destroying my body. In the past I've done a mix of treadmill and outdoors. I would like to get back to using a treadmill but don't have access to one right now.
asdfqwertzxcv 4y ago
Whole Food Plant Based and regular exercise, right?
- dubswithus 4y ago
  Mostly whole food plant-based. I do eat a lot of candy and I will eat meat sometimes. Usually if I'm at dinner or at someone's house. I avoid all oils. My exercise is more extreme on the cardio side and has been since high school.
TimedToasts 4y ago
Do you know your FFMI?
- dubswithus 4y ago
  Nope, but I'm not lean right now unfortunately.
stubybubs 4y ago
I'm like this. Got some labs from when I was 36: HDL: 1.96 normal range 0.90-1.60 ("good" cholesterol, above high normal) LDL: 2.19 normal range 2.00-3.40 Triglycerides: 0.54 normal range 0.60-2.30 (below low normal, lower is better) HbA1c: 4.9% normal range 4.5-6.5% (measure of average blood sugar over about 3 months) I had these results while I was in med school (late bloomer) and having seen a lot of lipids/HbA1c I have to say I have never seen results this good in anybody else. Yes, I am pretty proud of myself! At one point I ran a half marathon, but that was 4-5 years previous to this. By this point I was on 20 minutes intense cardio 3x week, and heavy weights. By heavy I mean heavy for me, as in I didn't show up at the gym expect to do 3 set of 10 no matter what. If I could do 3x10 of a certain weight, it was time to up the weight for constant improvement. I ate balanced protein and carbs with some fat, a habit I picked up from Body for Life a long time ago. I ate a lot of chicken, plenty of beef, also fish. I also love candy, and will eat a lot of it while coding or studying. Never skimped on things like popcorn, triple butter please. Love eggs. Love eating out, rich meals and dessert. I have never been vegan or vegetarian. When I really wanted to build muscle, I ate lots of meat. For a genetic background, I have a sibling who ended up with NAFLD in their early 30s. Aunt and grandfather with T2DM. Mother is on statins now in her late 60s. Generally my family is average build, maybe a big chubbier. I would say my health is 90% effort. I think the key is, you have to use absolutely everything you put in your body. If you are not building a stronger body with it, it's going to waste.
- danachow 4y ago
  > Yes, I am pretty proud of myself! Congratulate your parents as well for the good genes. > I also love candy, and will eat a lot of it while coding or studying. Never skimped on things like popcorn, triple butter please. > I think the key is, you have to use absolutely everything you put in your body. If you are not building a stronger body with it, it's going to waste. I mean I’m totally in the indulge in moderation crowd if only to enjoy life, but I am still at a loss how your two statements above are connected. How are you building a stronger body with the triple butter?
  - stubybubs 4y ago
    I added some genetic background. That definitely isn't it. Nobody else in my family has put in the effort that I have. > How are you building a stronger body with the triple butter? The point is that I used it all. I burned all of the calories I put into my body. Even if the calories were "crap" I burned them instead of consuming the quality protein I ingested for basic metabolic needs. My weight crept slowly upward from 155 to 165 over the course of 10 years and it was muscle, not fat.

mise_en_place 4y ago

I have very low LDL but I’d trade it for higher testosterone levels. Last test check was 200 ng/dl. I’m not a hardgainer body type either, but due to aromatase converting my T into E my body ends up storing more fat.

TimedToasts 4y ago
Don't accept low t - see your doctor and if your doctor won't there are T-specific clinic in your area that will be happy to help.
moosedev 4y ago
Do you have any sources or additional info on the latter? How did you determine that aromatase is the culprit? Thanks.
dubswithus 4y ago
Decrease in testosterone as you grow older may be cardio protective. It seems like it's currently unknown. Do you have your T levels tested every year?

PainfullyNormal 4y ago

How about seed oils?

MattGaiser 4y ago
Are seed oils some new health trend? I keep seeing people mention them in health discussions.
- PainfullyNormal 4y ago
  The opposite. https://fireinabottle.net/ https://fireinabottle.net/
- hirundo 4y ago
  There's a lot of evidence that PUFAs are obesogenic and diabetogenic. Their consumption increase broadly tracks the epidemics of both. E.g. https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Soybean-Oil-Is-More-Obesogenic-and-Diabetogenic-Oil-Deol-Evans/6794028d3bbf6c2d8bb7f6a6b5d9e671dbf8b247 https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Soybean-Oil-Is-More-Ob... If the effect is real it takes place over decades, gradually damaging mitochondria, making it difficult to cover with RCTs.
  - Entinel 4y ago
    "A lot" is a stretch. There is some evidence in mice and a few hypothesis but I certaintly wouldn't say "a lot." The exception to this I would say is soybean oil. There is a decent amount of research pointing in direction that soybean oil isn't great.
    - rafaelero 4y ago
      Added oil should be kept at minimum. It doesn't matter the source. But of course this is not the main reason for the obesity epidemic; people just like to find easy culprits instead of looking at the culture around food in the US.
      - SamPatt 4y ago
        I believe the case against seed oils isn't about them causing obesity, but heart disease.
        PainfullyNormal 4y ago
        I've seen convincing cases for both. Obesity: https://fireinabottle.net/how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-i/ https://fireinabottle.net/how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stre... Heart Disease: https://www.jeffnobbs.com/posts/death-by-vegetable-oil-what-the-studies-say https://www.jeffnobbs.com/posts/death-by-vegetable-oil-what-...
xwdv 4y ago
Do NOT consume seed oils. Go in your pantry and throw away anything that lists some kind of seed oil as an ingredient.
- austinjp 4y ago
  Why? * * By which I mean with references. And yes, big farma, etc etc, but really, decent studies please.
  - PainfullyNormal 4y ago
    Buckle up, because Brad Marshall over at fireinabottle.net has a six part series on this complete with footnotes. https://fireinabottle.net/how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-i/ https://fireinabottle.net/how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stre... https://fireinabottle.net/the-mitochondrial-bottleneck-as-the-carburetor-screw-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-ii/ https://fireinabottle.net/the-mitochondrial-bottleneck-as-th... https://fireinabottle.net/acetylation-turns-on-lipogenic-genes-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-iii/ https://fireinabottle.net/acetylation-turns-on-lipogenic-gen... https://fireinabottle.net/what-happens-to-seed-oils-when-you-eat-them-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-iv/ https://fireinabottle.net/what-happens-to-seed-oils-when-you... https://fireinabottle.net/seed-oils-make-lean-people-behave-like-fat-people-metabolically-speaking-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-v/ https://fireinabottle.net/seed-oils-make-lean-people-behave-... https://fireinabottle.net/pufa-as-an-obesogen-how-seed-oils-cause-reductive-stress-part-vi/ https://fireinabottle.net/pufa-as-an-obesogen-how-seed-oils-...
    - lr4444lr 4y ago
      What about whole nuts and seeds from which they're derived? Do they cause the same effect? I find this all a little hard to believe given that obese people tend to consume animal fats at a higher rate than non-obese people, nationwide changes notwithstanding.
      - PainfullyNormal 4y ago
dubswithus 4y ago
I don't consume any oils. Of course if I'm eating out or at someone's house it can be outside my control.

cableshaft 4y ago

What's your exercise regimen look like?

dubswithus 4y ago
Right now I'm doing 30-40+ miles of running a week. It's on concrete and asphalt with extremely high humidity and I'm still attempting to adapt. Will be starting a strength training program soon because I'm kind of destroying my body. In the past I've done a mix of treadmill and outdoors. I would like to get back to using a treadmill but don't have access to one right now.

asdfqwertzxcv 4y ago

Whole Food Plant Based and regular exercise, right?

dubswithus 4y ago
Mostly whole food plant-based. I do eat a lot of candy and I will eat meat sometimes. Usually if I'm at dinner or at someone's house. I avoid all oils. My exercise is more extreme on the cardio side and has been since high school.

TimedToasts 4y ago

Do you know your FFMI?

dubswithus 4y ago
Nope, but I'm not lean right now unfortunately.

stubybubs 4y ago

I'm like this. Got some labs from when I was 36: HDL: 1.96 normal range 0.90-1.60 ("good" cholesterol, above high normal) LDL: 2.19 normal range 2.00-3.40 Triglycerides: 0.54 normal range 0.60-2.30 (below low normal, lower is better) HbA1c: 4.9% normal range 4.5-6.5% (measure of average blood sugar over about 3 months) I had these results while I was in med school (late bloomer) and having seen a lot of lipids/HbA1c I have to say I have never seen results this good in anybody else. Yes, I am pretty proud of myself! At one point I ran a half marathon, but that was 4-5 years previous to this. By this point I was on 20 minutes intense cardio 3x week, and heavy weights. By heavy I mean heavy for me, as in I didn't show up at the gym expect to do 3 set of 10 no matter what. If I could do 3x10 of a certain weight, it was time to up the weight for constant improvement. I ate balanced protein and carbs with some fat, a habit I picked up from Body for Life a long time ago. I ate a lot of chicken, plenty of beef, also fish. I also love candy, and will eat a lot of it while coding or studying. Never skimped on things like popcorn, triple butter please. Love eggs. Love eating out, rich meals and dessert. I have never been vegan or vegetarian. When I really wanted to build muscle, I ate lots of meat. For a genetic background, I have a sibling who ended up with NAFLD in their early 30s. Aunt and grandfather with T2DM. Mother is on statins now in her late 60s. Generally my family is average build, maybe a big chubbier. I would say my health is 90% effort. I think the key is, you have to use absolutely everything you put in your body. If you are not building a stronger body with it, it's going to waste.

danachow 4y ago
> Yes, I am pretty proud of myself! Congratulate your parents as well for the good genes. > I also love candy, and will eat a lot of it while coding or studying. Never skimped on things like popcorn, triple butter please. > I think the key is, you have to use absolutely everything you put in your body. If you are not building a stronger body with it, it's going to waste. I mean I’m totally in the indulge in moderation crowd if only to enjoy life, but I am still at a loss how your two statements above are connected. How are you building a stronger body with the triple butter?
- stubybubs 4y ago
  I added some genetic background. That definitely isn't it. Nobody else in my family has put in the effort that I have. > How are you building a stronger body with the triple butter? The point is that I used it all. I burned all of the calories I put into my body. Even if the calories were "crap" I burned them instead of consuming the quality protein I ingested for basic metabolic needs. My weight crept slowly upward from 155 to 165 over the course of 10 years and it was muscle, not fat.