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Firstly, IMO, email is by no way amazing. It is useful and essentially a standard way of communicating by now, but I have never once thought of the communicatio

by s3p 4y ago

Firstly, IMO, email is by no way amazing. It is useful and essentially a standard way of communicating by now, but I have never once thought of the communication protocol as being amazing. Second, there is nothing toxic about scheduling a text. My father is one of the people who never silences his phone, so when he gets a text or call at night he always wakes up. He gets annoyed if it's not urgent, so a scheduled text message in the morning would make him much happier. Scheduling a text message is all about convenience for the recipient of the message and comes out of a desire to be respectful of the other person's time.

UncleEntity 4y ago
I agree with your father, if someone texts/calls during normal sleeping hours it really should be an emergency because if everyone mutes their phones and there’s a real emergency then nobody will be able to get in touch with anybody. Other than drunk friends and booty calls someone had better be in the hospital or dead if they wake me up in the middle of the night.
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  > if everyone mutes their phones and there’s a real emergency then nobody will be able to get in touch with anybody You can tell Android and iOS to make noise when someone calls a 2nd time.
  - UncleEntity 4y ago
    Yep, and the spammers know that too so they call twice in a row. And I’m pretty sure you’re only entitled to one phone call…
    - pseudalopex 4y ago
      > Yep, and the spammers know that too so they call twice in a row. Didn't you just argue everyone shouldn't mute their phones? > And I’m pretty sure you’re only entitled to one phone call… You're thinking of a plot device probably.[1] [1] https://www.betternoahlawyer.com/your-one-phone-call/ https://www.betternoahlawyer.com/your-one-phone-call/
      - UncleEntity 4y ago
        > Didn't you just argue everyone shouldn't mute their phones? Mute your phone, don’t mute your phone, doesn’t matter to me. Just don’t wake me up at 3am for petty stuff is all I ask. I also believe the two call thing let’s anyone through even if you have it where only saved contacts can ring the phone. Maybe, I’d just have it where it would only ring for contacts because I never get calls from random numbers that I ever wanted to talk to other than when I was at work and trying to get people in the cab who would often miss my call and immediately call back so I wouldn’t take off without them.
kimburgess 4y ago
Communication protocols extend through the human layer too. As long as both ends agree on what that is, the medium that the message uses to get from A to B is arbitrary. With your father, texts are synchronous comms, possibly without requiring an explicit acknowledgement. This may be different for different groups of people. Define what that agreed protocol is and it removes the ambiguity.
a-dub 4y ago
> It is useful and essentially a standard way of communicating by now perfect. beautiful. AMAZING! the smtp crypto situation is a mess, sure, but work emails usually all stay on the same machine or hosting provider anyway. more importantly, it comes from an era before zomg smartphone notifications now now now and as such has respectful communications properties built-in. > Second, there is nothing toxic about scheduling a text. My father is one of the people who never silences his phone, so when he gets a text or call at night he always wakes up. He gets annoyed if it's not urgent, so a scheduled text message in the morning would make him much happier. personal matters are just that and i was referring to work stuff mostly.... buuuuut that said... you should try sending him an e-mail! even if you schedule your text for when he's awake, you're still sending him a demanding interrupt! old people love their e-mails they sit in their big comfy chairs and read them at their leisure with their favorite glasses on with their nice big lamps! he probably will appreciate that even more! if it's urgent and he hasn't responded, THEN you can send an interrupt by giving him a call or sending a text. instead you're instructing robots to steal your dad's attention at some predetermined time in the future while you do something else... do you see the dystopic themes here?
- alexeldeib 4y ago
  > it comes from an era before zomg smartphone notifications now now now and as such has respectful communications properties built-in. Gmail on iOS certainly will try to notify you for “important” messages. If anything, I think the failure of email in combatting spam is the only thing saving us from the notification-heavy defaults you mentioned. > instead you're instructing robots to steal your dad's attention at some predetermined time in the future while you do something else... do you see the dystopic themes here? Not that different from setting a reminder to send the text yourself…and you’d presumably pick a scheduled send time when you’re also available to reply. But I do agree, it’s marginally more impersonal.

by s3p 4y ago

UncleEntity 4y ago

I agree with your father, if someone texts/calls during normal sleeping hours it really should be an emergency because if everyone mutes their phones and there’s a real emergency then nobody will be able to get in touch with anybody. Other than drunk friends and booty calls someone had better be in the hospital or dead if they wake me up in the middle of the night.

pseudalopex 4y ago
> if everyone mutes their phones and there’s a real emergency then nobody will be able to get in touch with anybody You can tell Android and iOS to make noise when someone calls a 2nd time.
- UncleEntity 4y ago
  Yep, and the spammers know that too so they call twice in a row. And I’m pretty sure you’re only entitled to one phone call…
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    > Yep, and the spammers know that too so they call twice in a row. Didn't you just argue everyone shouldn't mute their phones? > And I’m pretty sure you’re only entitled to one phone call… You're thinking of a plot device probably.[1] [1] https://www.betternoahlawyer.com/your-one-phone-call/ https://www.betternoahlawyer.com/your-one-phone-call/
    - UncleEntity 4y ago
      > Didn't you just argue everyone shouldn't mute their phones? Mute your phone, don’t mute your phone, doesn’t matter to me. Just don’t wake me up at 3am for petty stuff is all I ask. I also believe the two call thing let’s anyone through even if you have it where only saved contacts can ring the phone. Maybe, I’d just have it where it would only ring for contacts because I never get calls from random numbers that I ever wanted to talk to other than when I was at work and trying to get people in the cab who would often miss my call and immediately call back so I wouldn’t take off without them.

kimburgess 4y ago

Communication protocols extend through the human layer too. As long as both ends agree on what that is, the medium that the message uses to get from A to B is arbitrary. With your father, texts are synchronous comms, possibly without requiring an explicit acknowledgement. This may be different for different groups of people. Define what that agreed protocol is and it removes the ambiguity.

a-dub 4y ago

> It is useful and essentially a standard way of communicating by now perfect. beautiful. AMAZING! the smtp crypto situation is a mess, sure, but work emails usually all stay on the same machine or hosting provider anyway. more importantly, it comes from an era before zomg smartphone notifications now now now and as such has respectful communications properties built-in. > Second, there is nothing toxic about scheduling a text. My father is one of the people who never silences his phone, so when he gets a text or call at night he always wakes up. He gets annoyed if it's not urgent, so a scheduled text message in the morning would make him much happier. personal matters are just that and i was referring to work stuff mostly.... buuuuut that said... you should try sending him an e-mail! even if you schedule your text for when he's awake, you're still sending him a demanding interrupt! old people love their e-mails they sit in their big comfy chairs and read them at their leisure with their favorite glasses on with their nice big lamps! he probably will appreciate that even more! if it's urgent and he hasn't responded, THEN you can send an interrupt by giving him a call or sending a text. instead you're instructing robots to steal your dad's attention at some predetermined time in the future while you do something else... do you see the dystopic themes here?

alexeldeib 4y ago
> it comes from an era before zomg smartphone notifications now now now and as such has respectful communications properties built-in. Gmail on iOS certainly will try to notify you for “important” messages. If anything, I think the failure of email in combatting spam is the only thing saving us from the notification-heavy defaults you mentioned. > instead you're instructing robots to steal your dad's attention at some predetermined time in the future while you do something else... do you see the dystopic themes here? Not that different from setting a reminder to send the text yourself…and you’d presumably pick a scheduled send time when you’re also available to reply. But I do agree, it’s marginally more impersonal.