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The question is not whether or not he did it, it's whether or not having unprotected sex with a sleeping person constitutes sexual assault or not. Now, I'm sur

by Mizza 15y ago

The question is not whether or not he did it, it's whether or not having unprotected sex with a sleeping person constitutes sexual assault or not. Now, I'm sure that the US will attempt to use this as an excuse to extradite him, but that doesn't mean that he didn't do it.

Tichy 15y ago
Didn't know the details of the accusations against him. So he admitted to what you describe?
- jeltz 15y ago
  No, and I am not sure even the victims have used that story either. Was some time since I read the various rumors and leaked information but I do not remember anything about anyone being asleep.
  - droithomme 15y ago
    That's correct, neither girl has said they were asleep, nor has either one said he raped them. This sort of push story is just propaganda, being placed widely using private intelligence agencies like Palantir who have their corps of posting personas (who are especially active on HN and reddit) working to generate an illusion among the public that there is an understanding he is guilty of rape when he has not even been charged with it. The idea is get him to Sweden, then Sweden releases him to the US for interrogation.
    - philwelch 15y ago
      propaganda, being placed widely using private intelligence agencies like Palantir who have their corps of posting personas (who are especially active on HN and reddit) working to generate an illusion among the public If I wanted to create an illusion among the public, I would use something that most of the public paid attention to, like TV. And indeed, if anything that's what they do: they create the illusion that the overpublicized personal lives of trashy-but-beautiful women are important and deserving of attention. As far as Reddit and HN go, you're just spouting unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. And if you think the NSA or someone is paying me off, I'll give you a look at my bank balance and you can think again.
grannyg00se 15y ago
Is that what his case is about? I didn't know he was admitting to any intercourse at all. I've heard of a case where even though somebody had received consent to have intercourse during their partner's sleep prior to the partner falling asleep, they were still found guilty after having intercourse with the sleeping partner Apparently the partner had changed their mind after they woke and retroactively revoked consent. If he didn't obtain pre-consent it would be pretty bad. If he did obtain pre-consent he could still be in trouble.

by Mizza 15y ago

Tichy 15y ago

Didn't know the details of the accusations against him. So he admitted to what you describe?

jeltz 15y ago
No, and I am not sure even the victims have used that story either. Was some time since I read the various rumors and leaked information but I do not remember anything about anyone being asleep.
- droithomme 15y ago
  That's correct, neither girl has said they were asleep, nor has either one said he raped them. This sort of push story is just propaganda, being placed widely using private intelligence agencies like Palantir who have their corps of posting personas (who are especially active on HN and reddit) working to generate an illusion among the public that there is an understanding he is guilty of rape when he has not even been charged with it. The idea is get him to Sweden, then Sweden releases him to the US for interrogation.
  - philwelch 15y ago
    propaganda, being placed widely using private intelligence agencies like Palantir who have their corps of posting personas (who are especially active on HN and reddit) working to generate an illusion among the public If I wanted to create an illusion among the public, I would use something that most of the public paid attention to, like TV. And indeed, if anything that's what they do: they create the illusion that the overpublicized personal lives of trashy-but-beautiful women are important and deserving of attention. As far as Reddit and HN go, you're just spouting unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. And if you think the NSA or someone is paying me off, I'll give you a look at my bank balance and you can think again.

grannyg00se 15y ago

Is that what his case is about? I didn't know he was admitting to any intercourse at all. I've heard of a case where even though somebody had received consent to have intercourse during their partner's sleep prior to the partner falling asleep, they were still found guilty after having intercourse with the sleeping partner Apparently the partner had changed their mind after they woke and retroactively revoked consent. If he didn't obtain pre-consent it would be pretty bad. If he did obtain pre-consent he could still be in trouble.