I think Bob’s message here is right, but the phrasing is scaring folks off. Maybe “lack of discipline” comes off as pejorative? Perhaps “lack of emphasis on qua

I think Bob’s message here is right, but the phrasing is scaring folks off. Maybe “lack of discipline” comes off as pejorative? Perhaps “lack of emphasis on quality” would be more popular? Quoting from “tools are not the answer” (http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2017/10/04/CodeIsNotTheAnswer.html http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2017/10/04/CodeIsNotThe...) > The author of the article interviewed many thought leaders in the industry, but chose only those thought leaders who were inventing new technologies. Those technologies were things like Light Table, Model Driven Engineering, and TLA+. > I have nothing against tools like this. I’ve even contributed money to the Light Table project. I think that good software tools make it easier to write good software. However, tools are not the answer to the “Apocalypse”. > Nowhere in the article did the author examine the possibility that programmers are generally undisciplined. The author did not interview software experts like Kent Beck, or Ward Cunningham, or Martin Fowler. The author completely avoided the notion that the software apocalypse might be avoided if programmers just did a better job. Instead, the author seemed convinced that the solution to the software apocalypse – the solution to bad code – is more code. > I disagree. Tools are fine; but the solution to the software apocalypse is not more tools. The solution is better programming discipline. If you step back for a second, this is basically the main gripe you see repeated on HN; business/PM is always in a hurry, the pressure is always to cut corners, nobody has time to build things right/properly. His point is that in this environment (most software environments) just sprinkling some TLA+ in there is not going to solve the problem. If your PM is always rushing you can you imagine them letting you pause on delivering features to prove your system is correct? Most shops do not care enough to justify this expense. I think by phrasing it as discipline Bob makes it sound like it’s the fault of individuals, where in fact I think a lot of people would like to spend more time on quality but just don’t have org buy-in. (But there are sloppy/undisciplined individuals too.)