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This doesn't say which comes first, though. Does the training of "creative" disciplines make the brain work differently from the "non-creative" disciplines, or

This doesn't say which comes first, though. Does the training of "creative" disciplines make the brain work differently from the "non-creative" disciplines, or is it a birth trait? The brain is an elastic organ.

exmadscientist 4y ago
Speaking as someone with family experience with a very closely related thing... oh man, it's totally 100% visible from birth or nearly so. Some brains are just different. And, unfortunately, the schizophrenia thing discussed above is real too. Not that it's necessarily genuine schizophrenia or even some watered-down version, just that these things live in the same metaphorical neighborhood and you cannot pretend otherwise.
- UnpossibleJim 4y ago
  I only bring it up because I graduated from art school and now I code all day for my job (I'm older with a family to support) and the difference in my thinking styles is noticeable. Not only to me, but to my friends by the way I speak and in my personality. This leads me to the "chicken and the egg" question. So often people look at coding as an acquisitionable ability, where as they view creative ability as something you have to be born with, discounting the years if effort that goes into those abilities. Be they cooking, painting, writing, what have you. Even their test subjects had graduate degrees in creative disciplines. Generally that doesn't bide well for schizoeffective disorders... the comparison to graduate degrees in the arts with graduate degrees in mathematics with schizoeffective disorders is probably near equal, as many papers have linked schizophrenia to a pre-viral load: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/schizophrenia-linked-with-abnormal-immune-response-to-epstein-barr-virus#:~:text=New%20research%20from%20Johns%20Hopkins,mononucleosis%2C%20so%2Dcalled%20mono https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/....
  - exmadscientist 4y ago
    > the difference in my thinking styles is noticeable. Not only to me, but to my friends by the way I speak and in my personality I agree that's a real effect. (I think a big part of it is the people around you, too.) I'm pointing out that there are some people in this world whose thinking is not like the rest, and there's no amount of environmental difference that can explain or erase it. > This leads me to the "chicken and the egg" question. So often people look at coding as an acquisitionable ability, where as they view creative ability as something you have to be born with, discounting the years if effort that goes into those abilities. Be they cooking, painting, writing, what have you. I also completely agree with this. I think that even if not everyone can be the "Michael Jordan of creativity" (okay, there's a better example... just, my own creativity, you know...), it still does every one of us massive good to exercise our brains.

exmadscientist 4y ago

Speaking as someone with family experience with a very closely related thing... oh man, it's totally 100% visible from birth or nearly so. Some brains are just different. And, unfortunately, the schizophrenia thing discussed above is real too. Not that it's necessarily genuine schizophrenia or even some watered-down version, just that these things live in the same metaphorical neighborhood and you cannot pretend otherwise.

UnpossibleJim 4y ago
I only bring it up because I graduated from art school and now I code all day for my job (I'm older with a family to support) and the difference in my thinking styles is noticeable. Not only to me, but to my friends by the way I speak and in my personality. This leads me to the "chicken and the egg" question. So often people look at coding as an acquisitionable ability, where as they view creative ability as something you have to be born with, discounting the years if effort that goes into those abilities. Be they cooking, painting, writing, what have you. Even their test subjects had graduate degrees in creative disciplines. Generally that doesn't bide well for schizoeffective disorders... the comparison to graduate degrees in the arts with graduate degrees in mathematics with schizoeffective disorders is probably near equal, as many papers have linked schizophrenia to a pre-viral load: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/schizophrenia-linked-with-abnormal-immune-response-to-epstein-barr-virus#:~:text=New%20research%20from%20Johns%20Hopkins,mononucleosis%2C%20so%2Dcalled%20mono https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/....
- exmadscientist 4y ago
  > the difference in my thinking styles is noticeable. Not only to me, but to my friends by the way I speak and in my personality I agree that's a real effect. (I think a big part of it is the people around you, too.) I'm pointing out that there are some people in this world whose thinking is not like the rest, and there's no amount of environmental difference that can explain or erase it. > This leads me to the "chicken and the egg" question. So often people look at coding as an acquisitionable ability, where as they view creative ability as something you have to be born with, discounting the years if effort that goes into those abilities. Be they cooking, painting, writing, what have you. I also completely agree with this. I think that even if not everyone can be the "Michael Jordan of creativity" (okay, there's a better example... just, my own creativity, you know...), it still does every one of us massive good to exercise our brains.