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If you limit yourself to sane, 1.0 web simple pages such as Hacker News, sure. If you need to visit anything using unoptimized 100+ MB of Javascript? Good Luck.

oynqr 4y ago
Are you trying to tell me that you can't browse the modern web on an Ivy Bridge-era system?
- doubled112 4y ago
  Either it's not that bad, or people are lacking patience. I have a Phenom II desktop next to me that browses the web just fine. Yes, even YouTube and infinite scrolling pages.
  - tssva 4y ago
    Same here. I have a Phenom II X6 desktop and it has no problem browsing the modern web running either Linux or Windows 10.
  - jcelerier 4y ago
    I'd really like to see that "not that bad". > or people are lacking patience If it's not instant, it's a bug. I guess this mindset explains why modern software tires me so much.. There's absolutely no "patience" to have with machines whose CPUs can process a dozen Wikipedia (text) worth of information per second
    - doubled112 4y ago
      > If it's not instant, it's a bug If only developers felt the same way. I'm also exhausted by a lot of modern software. There's not much I can do about the modern web though. I've learned to be patient. Stockholm syndrome. It was a pretty powerful machine back then - quad core, 16GB RAM, SSD, 1GB GPU. Not a fast machine today by any means, and not my primary machine, but more than adequate for checking email and watching a tutorial on something. Stick to fast software and it is still a decent experience. Is two or three seconds of loading before the 15 minute YouTube video a long time to wait?
- ElectricalUnion 4y ago
  Yes, remember that the netbook trend died in 2013. A netbook is a Ivy Bridge-era system.
  - doubled112 4y ago
    Those were awful, especially the first gen, but I have fond memories of them since it was the first time young me could afford anything new and shaped like a laptop. The MSI Wind U100 with an Atom N270 CPU would even overclock. It didn't help, but it would do it.
  - oynqr 4y ago
    If that's allowed, you can't browse the web on an Alder Lake-era system.
- beebeepka 4y ago
  I was on my good old 2500k until 2019. It was perfectly and I only upgraded because I had the itch
drewzero1 4y ago
For a 20 year old machine, sure. But any machine that was decent 10 years ago should be at least okay today. My 2008 Thinkpad handles all but the heaviest websites without too much trouble, as long as I don't have too many tabs open at a time.
- ElectricalUnion 4y ago
  This is a fair point, the machine I am using as a reference was pretty bad at best even when it was new (a 2012 netbook).
- blacksmith_tb 4y ago
  Agreed, I am using a 2009 Toshiba laptop with Pop! on it, I did some cheap upgrades (maxed RAM to 10GB, used a spare SSD to replace the old HD), it's perfectly usable.
bragr 4y ago
How is hacker news a 1.0 website? It's full of JS and dynamic elements. It might be aping the style of 1.0 web but it is very much a web 2.0 site.
- ElectricalUnion 4y ago
  > It's full of JS 152 lines of sparse JS ammounting to 5kb uncompressed? Not exactly what I would call "full of js". For comparison your average hasty made, JS infested legacy web site there embeds Moment.js - and that by itself is 19kb compressed.
  - bragr 4y ago
    Compared to the size of the site, and the features? Yeah, most of them involve some amount of JS. Besides, HN is all dynamic user generated content, that's the crux of web 2.0.
    - pluijzer 4y ago
      How I perceive it is that web 2.0 is about dynamic loaded content and as far as I know HN doesn't do this but loads static pages from a server just like ye old web 1.0 forum pages would do.
      - bragr 4y ago
        If you go off Wikipedia's definition, it's more about user generated content and HN is definitely that. Might not meet your definition of web 2.0, but it meets this one: >A Web 2.0 website allows users to interact and collaborate with each other through social media dialogue as creators of user-generated content in a virtual community. This contrasts the first generation of Web 1.0-era websites where people were limited to viewing content in a passive manner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0
        silisili 4y ago
freemint 4y ago
Even that might not work. If it came with a succinctly obscure Operating System you run into SSL problems.

oynqr 4y ago

Are you trying to tell me that you can't browse the modern web on an Ivy Bridge-era system?

doubled112 4y ago
Either it's not that bad, or people are lacking patience. I have a Phenom II desktop next to me that browses the web just fine. Yes, even YouTube and infinite scrolling pages.
- tssva 4y ago
  Same here. I have a Phenom II X6 desktop and it has no problem browsing the modern web running either Linux or Windows 10.
- jcelerier 4y ago
  I'd really like to see that "not that bad". > or people are lacking patience If it's not instant, it's a bug. I guess this mindset explains why modern software tires me so much.. There's absolutely no "patience" to have with machines whose CPUs can process a dozen Wikipedia (text) worth of information per second
  - doubled112 4y ago
    > If it's not instant, it's a bug If only developers felt the same way. I'm also exhausted by a lot of modern software. There's not much I can do about the modern web though. I've learned to be patient. Stockholm syndrome. It was a pretty powerful machine back then - quad core, 16GB RAM, SSD, 1GB GPU. Not a fast machine today by any means, and not my primary machine, but more than adequate for checking email and watching a tutorial on something. Stick to fast software and it is still a decent experience. Is two or three seconds of loading before the 15 minute YouTube video a long time to wait?
ElectricalUnion 4y ago
Yes, remember that the netbook trend died in 2013. A netbook is a Ivy Bridge-era system.
- doubled112 4y ago
  Those were awful, especially the first gen, but I have fond memories of them since it was the first time young me could afford anything new and shaped like a laptop. The MSI Wind U100 with an Atom N270 CPU would even overclock. It didn't help, but it would do it.
- oynqr 4y ago
  If that's allowed, you can't browse the web on an Alder Lake-era system.
beebeepka 4y ago
I was on my good old 2500k until 2019. It was perfectly and I only upgraded because I had the itch

drewzero1 4y ago

For a 20 year old machine, sure. But any machine that was decent 10 years ago should be at least okay today. My 2008 Thinkpad handles all but the heaviest websites without too much trouble, as long as I don't have too many tabs open at a time.

ElectricalUnion 4y ago
This is a fair point, the machine I am using as a reference was pretty bad at best even when it was new (a 2012 netbook).
blacksmith_tb 4y ago
Agreed, I am using a 2009 Toshiba laptop with Pop! on it, I did some cheap upgrades (maxed RAM to 10GB, used a spare SSD to replace the old HD), it's perfectly usable.

bragr 4y ago

How is hacker news a 1.0 website? It's full of JS and dynamic elements. It might be aping the style of 1.0 web but it is very much a web 2.0 site.

ElectricalUnion 4y ago
> It's full of JS 152 lines of sparse JS ammounting to 5kb uncompressed? Not exactly what I would call "full of js". For comparison your average hasty made, JS infested legacy web site there embeds Moment.js - and that by itself is 19kb compressed.
- bragr 4y ago
  Compared to the size of the site, and the features? Yeah, most of them involve some amount of JS. Besides, HN is all dynamic user generated content, that's the crux of web 2.0.
  - pluijzer 4y ago
    How I perceive it is that web 2.0 is about dynamic loaded content and as far as I know HN doesn't do this but loads static pages from a server just like ye old web 1.0 forum pages would do.
    - bragr 4y ago
      If you go off Wikipedia's definition, it's more about user generated content and HN is definitely that. Might not meet your definition of web 2.0, but it meets this one: >A Web 2.0 website allows users to interact and collaborate with each other through social media dialogue as creators of user-generated content in a virtual community. This contrasts the first generation of Web 1.0-era websites where people were limited to viewing content in a passive manner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0
      - silisili 4y ago

freemint 4y ago

Even that might not work. If it came with a succinctly obscure Operating System you run into SSL problems.