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Yeah but k8s isn’t hard at all if you know it, it’s actually substantially easier than a couple web servers and dbserver and provides a whole lot more

mirceal 4y ago
So, your argument is that you should use a tool if you know how to use it, regardless of if it's actually needed? Personally I would take managing "a couple of webservers and a db" any day over k8s.
- liuliu 4y ago
  His point is to use whatever simplifies workflow / reduces operational overhead. To some people, that indeed would be k8s. To you, that may be "managing a couple of webservers and a db". And that is great for you.
- mountainriver 4y ago
  yeah I use k8s for basic webapps and it works wonderfully, and is way way easier than anything else, and yes I started developing in the 90s so I've seen it all. There is a bit of overhead in learning k8s, but once you know it, it's dead simple for every use case I've found and takes you way further than anything else.
throwaway787544 4y ago
Rocket science isn't hard if you know it. Should we all build spaceships to deliver groceries? Good luck finding a few local rocket scientists in a pinch. You can find plenty of auto mechanics though. Cars are cheaper and ubiquitous. Maybe they can't drive to the moon, but they can get most things done. Unless your business is flying to the moon, stick to cars and trucks over spaceships.
- hllooo 4y ago
  lol yes it is
- mountainriver 4y ago
  lol what? k8s isn't rocket science, for a basic web app its a single yaml file
  - throwaway787544 4y ago
    In the same sense that rockets aren't complicated either, you just put on a suit, climb in, press some buttons
    - heurist 4y ago
      I largely agree with the previous poster. If a single brief yaml file is too complicated, you're asking for too much from your tooling. I've seen hideous configuration management systems that did 1/100th of what kubernetes can do. There is some additional complexity around containers which is not a k8s complexity issue, and there are advanced features that most devs will never need to touch. Regardless, I'll take the complexity saved by k8s over custom built tooling or oversimplified PaaS any day.

mirceal 4y ago

So, your argument is that you should use a tool if you know how to use it, regardless of if it's actually needed? Personally I would take managing "a couple of webservers and a db" any day over k8s.

liuliu 4y ago
His point is to use whatever simplifies workflow / reduces operational overhead. To some people, that indeed would be k8s. To you, that may be "managing a couple of webservers and a db". And that is great for you.
mountainriver 4y ago
yeah I use k8s for basic webapps and it works wonderfully, and is way way easier than anything else, and yes I started developing in the 90s so I've seen it all. There is a bit of overhead in learning k8s, but once you know it, it's dead simple for every use case I've found and takes you way further than anything else.

throwaway787544 4y ago

Rocket science isn't hard if you know it. Should we all build spaceships to deliver groceries? Good luck finding a few local rocket scientists in a pinch. You can find plenty of auto mechanics though. Cars are cheaper and ubiquitous. Maybe they can't drive to the moon, but they can get most things done. Unless your business is flying to the moon, stick to cars and trucks over spaceships.

hllooo 4y ago
lol yes it is
mountainriver 4y ago
lol what? k8s isn't rocket science, for a basic web app its a single yaml file
- throwaway787544 4y ago
  In the same sense that rockets aren't complicated either, you just put on a suit, climb in, press some buttons
  - heurist 4y ago
    I largely agree with the previous poster. If a single brief yaml file is too complicated, you're asking for too much from your tooling. I've seen hideous configuration management systems that did 1/100th of what kubernetes can do. There is some additional complexity around containers which is not a k8s complexity issue, and there are advanced features that most devs will never need to touch. Regardless, I'll take the complexity saved by k8s over custom built tooling or oversimplified PaaS any day.