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> achieves 87% of the performance of the Intel 12900K and Nvidia RTX 3090 combined This sounds insane (not in a good way). A 3090 destroys M1 Ultra in tasks li

by XCSme 4y ago

> achieves 87% of the performance of the Intel 12900K and Nvidia RTX 3090 combined This sounds insane (not in a good way). A 3090 destroys M1 Ultra in tasks like machine learning, 3090 being 5x-10x faster than the M1 Ultra.

XCSme 4y ago
Also, just stumbled upon this recent video[0] taking on the Apple marketing/graphs for the M1 ultra and testing their claims. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCs27cNz6_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCs27cNz6_k
maccard 4y ago
I dont fall in the "apple has changed the world" camp, but bear in mind what you're saying here - the flagship $1500 MSRP GPU is less than an order of magnitude quicker than a $2000 (total) device, with less than half the power usage. That's a pretty impressive feat for a first attempt.
- XCSme 4y ago
  > is less than an order of magnitude quicker than a $2000 (total) device Isn't the M1 Ultra Mac studio starting at $3999 MSRP? Also, enthusiasts are usually willing to pay 2x the price for even just 2x the performance.
- XCSme 4y ago
  I am not saying their chip isn't impressive, just that they are clearly lying/deceiving in their marketing.
- onepointsixC 4y ago
  > the flagship $1500 MSRP GPU is less than an order of magnitude quicker than a $2000 (total) device Could you point out which precise Apple device you are thinking of? Mac Studio with an M1 Ultra appear to be $3999 MSRP, and I was assuming that's the cheapest option for an M1 Ultra.
  - maccard 4y ago
    You're right sorry - I accidentally compared the price of an M1 Pro instead of an M1 Ultra.
- marcinzm 4y ago
  I mean, the top and bottom GPUs of any generation differ by much less than 10x the performance but do differ by 5-10x the price. The 3090 is $1500 while the 3050 is $250 so 6x the price. The 3090 is only 2-3x the performance of the 3050. There's large diminishing returns as you push performance to the utter maximum.
- MomoXenosaga 4y ago
  But can it run Crysis? Apple is pretty much a no go for gaming.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    > But can it run Crysis? Yes?[1] [1] https://www.paulthetall.com/crysis-for-mac-osx/ https://www.paulthetall.com/crysis-for-mac-osx/
  - maccard 4y ago
    No disagreement on that, but that is a very complicated topic. It's not _just_ a hardware problem on Mac, there's also the OpenGL/Vulkan/Metal debacle, and lack of audience compared to windows for developers to target. There are more using steam with windows 7 than steam on Mac [0] [0] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...
- postalrat 4y ago
  It wasn't their first attempt. Apple has been making chips for their phones for years.
  - maccard 4y ago
    There's a huge difference between mobile and desktop chips. They have very different constraints. As I said, I'm not in the "apple have changed the world camp" but they have managed to bring high end desktop performance at laptop level power usage, that also sustains output.

by XCSme 4y ago

XCSme 4y ago

Also, just stumbled upon this recent video[0] taking on the Apple marketing/graphs for the M1 ultra and testing their claims. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCs27cNz6_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCs27cNz6_k

maccard 4y ago

I dont fall in the "apple has changed the world" camp, but bear in mind what you're saying here - the flagship $1500 MSRP GPU is less than an order of magnitude quicker than a $2000 (total) device, with less than half the power usage. That's a pretty impressive feat for a first attempt.

XCSme 4y ago
> is less than an order of magnitude quicker than a $2000 (total) device Isn't the M1 Ultra Mac studio starting at $3999 MSRP? Also, enthusiasts are usually willing to pay 2x the price for even just 2x the performance.
XCSme 4y ago
I am not saying their chip isn't impressive, just that they are clearly lying/deceiving in their marketing.
onepointsixC 4y ago
> the flagship $1500 MSRP GPU is less than an order of magnitude quicker than a $2000 (total) device Could you point out which precise Apple device you are thinking of? Mac Studio with an M1 Ultra appear to be $3999 MSRP, and I was assuming that's the cheapest option for an M1 Ultra.
- maccard 4y ago
  You're right sorry - I accidentally compared the price of an M1 Pro instead of an M1 Ultra.
marcinzm 4y ago
I mean, the top and bottom GPUs of any generation differ by much less than 10x the performance but do differ by 5-10x the price. The 3090 is $1500 while the 3050 is $250 so 6x the price. The 3090 is only 2-3x the performance of the 3050. There's large diminishing returns as you push performance to the utter maximum.
MomoXenosaga 4y ago
But can it run Crysis? Apple is pretty much a no go for gaming.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  > But can it run Crysis? Yes?[1] [1] https://www.paulthetall.com/crysis-for-mac-osx/ https://www.paulthetall.com/crysis-for-mac-osx/
- maccard 4y ago
  No disagreement on that, but that is a very complicated topic. It's not _just_ a hardware problem on Mac, there's also the OpenGL/Vulkan/Metal debacle, and lack of audience compared to windows for developers to target. There are more using steam with windows 7 than steam on Mac [0] [0] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...
postalrat 4y ago
It wasn't their first attempt. Apple has been making chips for their phones for years.
- maccard 4y ago
  There's a huge difference between mobile and desktop chips. They have very different constraints. As I said, I'm not in the "apple have changed the world camp" but they have managed to bring high end desktop performance at laptop level power usage, that also sustains output.