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Hilarious 'Web 3 Console' Will Never, Ever Happen

qprofyeh 4y ago
Two months ago I would have expected them to raise millions.
pcthrowaway 4y ago
I think it has a higher chance of being released than of the author (intentionally) setting their head on fire, so as much as the author's tone ridicules this ridicule-worthy thing, their preposterous claims make them look equally ridiculous.
TillE 4y ago
Remember the Ouya? This category of hardware projects don't really make sense unless you're at a scale where the price can be competitive. A realistic idea along these lines would be like, a custom OS for the Steam Deck.
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  SteamOS is supposed to be(come) available to the general public and there are boards for sale out there that are practically the Xbox/PlayStation boards without the dedicated hardware running on a Ryzen chip. This project markets itself as an 8K HDR console, so I don't think it's trying to get into the same market the Ouya tried to get into. It appears to be an Xbox for people who own NFTs.
  - giantrobot 4y ago
    More like a Phantom[0] for people with NFTs. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Entertainment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Entertainment
  - cassianoleal 4y ago
    SteamOS is available to the general public: https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown
    - jeroenhd 4y ago
      Is that the modern (Steam Deck) version? The page you linked says it's based on Debian 8 while the modern iteration is Arch based.
      - cassianoleal 4y ago
        That's the non-Deck one. Very close to the top of the page there's this: > NOTE: This image is not compatible with Steam Deck. If you are looking for the Steam Deck Recovery image, visit this link. Where the link points to https://help.steampowered.com/faqs/view/1B71-EDF2-EB6D-2BB3 https://help.steampowered.com/faqs/view/1B71-EDF2-EB6D-2BB3 I'm not sure if the Steam Deck image can be installed on a non-Deck system.
        jeroenhd 4y ago
        My attempts at getting the Steam Deck version to work all failed. You can get the software installed but on reboot the system just seems to freeze. I'm guessing it's waiting for some kind of hardware dependent driver or service to load that isn't available in a virtual machine.
    - simjnd 4y ago
      HoloISO [1] is as close as you can get to SteamOS 3 until Steam ships the official version. From the README : "Is this official? No, but it may as well be 99% of the way there. The code and packages, are straight from Valve, with zero possible edits, and the ISO is being built on the official Steam Deck recovery image, running inside a QEMU instance." You can watch it run on a variety of hardware on YouTube. [1]: https://github.com/theVakhovskeIsTaken/holoiso https://github.com/theVakhovskeIsTaken/holoiso
jeroenhd 4y ago
I wonder what people are actually falling for this. The homepage actually has "4K Ultra HD" advertised two lines above "8K HDR". Aside from the blockchain stuff I don't see any technical details other than a bunch of programming languages and vague controller features you'll find in knockoff PlayStation controllers. The website has no details on games, tech, or platform, but it knows exactly what cryptocurrency platforms it'll use. It looks like the creators don't actually know what TouchID is because they seem to assume that they can just use it for their console (I expect them to add a normal fingerprint scanner to the controller). In theory, this should all be quite doable. Throw SteamOS onto a PC in a special box, add some blockchain software, find some devs that are willing to write more blockchain crapware to market your platform. I don't think it's a viable business, but it's technically feasible. This company ain't it, though. It's a vague idea and a 3D render of a console used to sell some kind of NFTs to the biggest suckers they can find in the crypto space.
- cyanydeez 4y ago
  Most likely they scraped the content from a reputable source.
  - _zzaw 4y ago
    They seem to have replaced instances of "Touch ID" with more generic references to a fingerprint scanner, but the fact that they didn't realize that Touch ID was a specific, proprietary technology is a little concerning. I can't tell whether they're actual scammers or just earnest people with a stupid product, but I definitely associate web3 culture with huckster types whose motives—and products—I don't trust.
ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
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kwertyoowiyop 4y ago
How does it do on the “Bored Apes per second” benchmark?
egfx 4y ago
I thought this was about using Web3 via the console as a service. I was truly intrigued and interested, not anymore.
rvz 4y ago
We'll see but I'm very skeptical. The Ouya was a catastrophic and massive failure, same with the NVIDIA Shield and the same is true for Steam Machines. Once again they are re-entering with the Steam Deck which is also another failure waiting to happen. So why should I expect this to succeed? Maybe some companies just don't learn from their mistakes and will continue to repeat them.
- Inhibit 4y ago
  The nVidia Shield is the longest supported Android device in existence as far as I'm aware. And still moves a fair number of units. "Massive failure" isn't exactly how I'd term that.
- BaseballPhysics 4y ago
  > Once again they are re-entering with the Steam Deck Entered. It exists. I've already clocked dozens of hours on mine. > which is also another failure waiting to happen. That remains to be seen. The real issue isn't the idea of an open console designed to run commercial games. The issue is one of key feature differentiators that might drive consumers to buy one. Crypto is not one of those differentiators. Both the Ouya and the Shield suffered from the same problem: Being Android-based, they couldn't directly play PC games. You had to either stream from an existing game rig or stream from the cloud. The Deck does not have that limitation. It's differentiator is being able to portably run PC games unmodified. Will that be enough to keep the product around long term? I have no idea. But it's ridiculous to pretend these are all equivalent projects. And it's utterly absurd to draw parallels between those projects and this crypto disaster.
  - rvz 4y ago
    > Entered. It exists. I've already clocked dozens of hours on mine. Re-entered. Their previous related product (Steam Machines) was a total failure. > The real issue isn't the idea of an open console designed to run commercial games. The issue is one of key feature differentiators that might drive consumers to buy one. As long as DRM is in the system with closed-source components and software, an 'open console' is a myth, marketed to many as a DIY repair and replace utopia, even when Valve discourages from modifying and opening the so-called 'open console' in the first place. > Both the Ouya and the Shield suffered from the same problem: Being Android-based, they couldn't directly play PC games. You had to either stream from an existing game rig or stream from the cloud. > The Deck does not have that limitation. It's differentiator is being able to portably run PC games unmodified. Android is dead in the water and even Steam Machines ran SteamOS (modified Linux distro) and it still failed with the whole device. It doesn't matter. It seems something is eternally wrong with these systems. The numbers sold are not even publicly shown, which tells me they are already anticipating failure in the long term compared to the mainstream consoles. There is no need to compare since Valve already failed with their previous console; so it is no different to the rest of the failed consoles before it.
theknocker 4y ago
captainbland 4y ago
They don't have to release the console, customers will broadly be happy enough if you issue them a NFT that may one day be redeemable for the console and will trade it for many times the console's actual value.
- nieve 4y ago
  Since the actual value of a never released console is zero that does make it easy to do the "many times" part.
alphachloride 4y ago
I really resonate with the tone of the article. I believe unrepentant ridicule is the correct (and only) response to web3. This belief is based on my not-so-expert, but also not-so-layman's experience of the lack of regulation and transparancy in the blockchain space.
- throwoutway 4y ago
  It’s not even the lack of regulation. It’s the lack of actual solutions to actual problems
  - cyanydeez 4y ago
    Grift is Good. Americas new motto
burrows 4y ago
The taunting tone of the article strikes me as un-empirical in some sense. If the thing sucks and no one likes it, then it sucks and no one likes it.
- kedean 4y ago
  The taunting tone isn't because they think it'll suck, it's because they think it will never exist at all. That's why they accuse it of being a scam (which it definitely is).
iKlsR 4y ago
> Wallet button to quickly access your wallet while in a game. Revolutionary.

Two months ago I would have expected them to raise millions.

I think it has a higher chance of being released than of the author (intentionally) setting their head on fire, so as much as the author's tone ridicules this ridicule-worthy thing, their preposterous claims make them look equally ridiculous.

TillE 4y ago

Remember the Ouya? This category of hardware projects don't really make sense unless you're at a scale where the price can be competitive. A realistic idea along these lines would be like, a custom OS for the Steam Deck.

jeroenhd 4y ago
SteamOS is supposed to be(come) available to the general public and there are boards for sale out there that are practically the Xbox/PlayStation boards without the dedicated hardware running on a Ryzen chip. This project markets itself as an 8K HDR console, so I don't think it's trying to get into the same market the Ouya tried to get into. It appears to be an Xbox for people who own NFTs.
- giantrobot 4y ago
  More like a Phantom[0] for people with NFTs. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Entertainment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Entertainment
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  SteamOS is available to the general public: https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown
  - jeroenhd 4y ago
    Is that the modern (Steam Deck) version? The page you linked says it's based on Debian 8 while the modern iteration is Arch based.
    - cassianoleal 4y ago
      That's the non-Deck one. Very close to the top of the page there's this: > NOTE: This image is not compatible with Steam Deck. If you are looking for the Steam Deck Recovery image, visit this link. Where the link points to https://help.steampowered.com/faqs/view/1B71-EDF2-EB6D-2BB3 https://help.steampowered.com/faqs/view/1B71-EDF2-EB6D-2BB3 I'm not sure if the Steam Deck image can be installed on a non-Deck system.
      - jeroenhd 4y ago
        My attempts at getting the Steam Deck version to work all failed. You can get the software installed but on reboot the system just seems to freeze. I'm guessing it's waiting for some kind of hardware dependent driver or service to load that isn't available in a virtual machine.
  - simjnd 4y ago
    HoloISO [1] is as close as you can get to SteamOS 3 until Steam ships the official version. From the README : "Is this official? No, but it may as well be 99% of the way there. The code and packages, are straight from Valve, with zero possible edits, and the ISO is being built on the official Steam Deck recovery image, running inside a QEMU instance." You can watch it run on a variety of hardware on YouTube. [1]: https://github.com/theVakhovskeIsTaken/holoiso https://github.com/theVakhovskeIsTaken/holoiso

jeroenhd 4y ago

I wonder what people are actually falling for this. The homepage actually has "4K Ultra HD" advertised two lines above "8K HDR". Aside from the blockchain stuff I don't see any technical details other than a bunch of programming languages and vague controller features you'll find in knockoff PlayStation controllers. The website has no details on games, tech, or platform, but it knows exactly what cryptocurrency platforms it'll use. It looks like the creators don't actually know what TouchID is because they seem to assume that they can just use it for their console (I expect them to add a normal fingerprint scanner to the controller). In theory, this should all be quite doable. Throw SteamOS onto a PC in a special box, add some blockchain software, find some devs that are willing to write more blockchain crapware to market your platform. I don't think it's a viable business, but it's technically feasible. This company ain't it, though. It's a vague idea and a 3D render of a console used to sell some kind of NFTs to the biggest suckers they can find in the crypto space.

cyanydeez 4y ago
Most likely they scraped the content from a reputable source.
- _zzaw 4y ago
  They seem to have replaced instances of "Touch ID" with more generic references to a fingerprint scanner, but the fact that they didn't realize that Touch ID was a specific, proprietary technology is a little concerning. I can't tell whether they're actual scammers or just earnest people with a stupid product, but I definitely associate web3 culture with huckster types whose motives—and products—I don't trust.

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago

Make sure to crank up your Adblock to 11, on this site…

kwertyoowiyop 4y ago

How does it do on the “Bored Apes per second” benchmark?

egfx 4y ago

I thought this was about using Web3 via the console as a service. I was truly intrigued and interested, not anymore.

rvz 4y ago

We'll see but I'm very skeptical. The Ouya was a catastrophic and massive failure, same with the NVIDIA Shield and the same is true for Steam Machines. Once again they are re-entering with the Steam Deck which is also another failure waiting to happen. So why should I expect this to succeed? Maybe some companies just don't learn from their mistakes and will continue to repeat them.

Inhibit 4y ago
The nVidia Shield is the longest supported Android device in existence as far as I'm aware. And still moves a fair number of units. "Massive failure" isn't exactly how I'd term that.
BaseballPhysics 4y ago
> Once again they are re-entering with the Steam Deck Entered. It exists. I've already clocked dozens of hours on mine. > which is also another failure waiting to happen. That remains to be seen. The real issue isn't the idea of an open console designed to run commercial games. The issue is one of key feature differentiators that might drive consumers to buy one. Crypto is not one of those differentiators. Both the Ouya and the Shield suffered from the same problem: Being Android-based, they couldn't directly play PC games. You had to either stream from an existing game rig or stream from the cloud. The Deck does not have that limitation. It's differentiator is being able to portably run PC games unmodified. Will that be enough to keep the product around long term? I have no idea. But it's ridiculous to pretend these are all equivalent projects. And it's utterly absurd to draw parallels between those projects and this crypto disaster.
- rvz 4y ago
  > Entered. It exists. I've already clocked dozens of hours on mine. Re-entered. Their previous related product (Steam Machines) was a total failure. > The real issue isn't the idea of an open console designed to run commercial games. The issue is one of key feature differentiators that might drive consumers to buy one. As long as DRM is in the system with closed-source components and software, an 'open console' is a myth, marketed to many as a DIY repair and replace utopia, even when Valve discourages from modifying and opening the so-called 'open console' in the first place. > Both the Ouya and the Shield suffered from the same problem: Being Android-based, they couldn't directly play PC games. You had to either stream from an existing game rig or stream from the cloud. > The Deck does not have that limitation. It's differentiator is being able to portably run PC games unmodified. Android is dead in the water and even Steam Machines ran SteamOS (modified Linux distro) and it still failed with the whole device. It doesn't matter. It seems something is eternally wrong with these systems. The numbers sold are not even publicly shown, which tells me they are already anticipating failure in the long term compared to the mainstream consoles. There is no need to compare since Valve already failed with their previous console; so it is no different to the rest of the failed consoles before it.

theknocker 4y ago

captainbland 4y ago

They don't have to release the console, customers will broadly be happy enough if you issue them a NFT that may one day be redeemable for the console and will trade it for many times the console's actual value.

nieve 4y ago
Since the actual value of a never released console is zero that does make it easy to do the "many times" part.

alphachloride 4y ago

I really resonate with the tone of the article. I believe unrepentant ridicule is the correct (and only) response to web3. This belief is based on my not-so-expert, but also not-so-layman's experience of the lack of regulation and transparancy in the blockchain space.

throwoutway 4y ago
It’s not even the lack of regulation. It’s the lack of actual solutions to actual problems
- cyanydeez 4y ago
  Grift is Good. Americas new motto

burrows 4y ago

The taunting tone of the article strikes me as un-empirical in some sense. If the thing sucks and no one likes it, then it sucks and no one likes it.

kedean 4y ago
The taunting tone isn't because they think it'll suck, it's because they think it will never exist at all. That's why they accuse it of being a scam (which it definitely is).

iKlsR 4y ago

> Wallet button to quickly access your wallet while in a game. Revolutionary.