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When you see the words “by Adobe” and loose all interest instantly. Let me guess, whatever it is requires a Creative Cloud subscription? I do remember when I

by mikl 4y ago

When you see the words “by Adobe” and loose all interest instantly. Let me guess, whatever it is requires a Creative Cloud subscription? I do remember when I was excited about Adobe stuff. 20 years ago. Since then, their virus-like “install a million things just to run Photoshop” and awful licensing practises have put them next to Oracle in the “avoid at all cost” category.

jb1991 4y ago
Agreed, I have a machine for which it is impossible to uninstall CC completely. I'd have to bust out a full drive wipe and OS reinstall just to get rid of an application. It's silly that tools for artists would need to hook so deeply into the OS and have no reasonable way to get rid of them.
- alexalx666 4y ago
  well that's rich, that's exactly what I noticed on my GF MacBook Pro, always was putting off until later, good to know that it does not makes sense to spend time on this. Would love to find responsible and install My programs
  - fbanon 4y ago
    You can get unCC'd versions of Adobe tools if you know where to look.
    - detritus 4y ago
      ...please, do go on?
      - sofixa 4y ago
        They mean piracy.
        detritus 4y ago
        Oh. Right. Duh.
  - iasay 4y ago
    It's really easy to uninstall their stuff from a Mac. Done it a few times. Just use the CC cloud app to uninstall the main apps then use the CC uninstaller to do it. Then reboot the mac. There are some things left in ~/Library you can clean up manually afterwards and that's it.
    - jb1991 4y ago
      It's not a full uninstall -- all kind of weird stuff sticks around that hooks into various places. Just Google all the things people do just to get the Adobe CC stuff out of their Launchpad. Many users just create a junk folder and throw it all in there because there is no way to get rid of it on some machines.
      - iasay 4y ago
        That’s absolutely not true.
        jb1991 4y ago
        > it can be overwhelming in some cases when Adobe Creative Cloud won’t uninstall it no matter what they do https://www.fonedog.com/powermymac/adobe-creative-cloud-wont-uninstall.html https://www.fonedog.com/powermymac/adobe-creative-cloud-wont... > there are some reasons that may make you want to uninstall it from your Mac. When you try to remove it, you may find that it is not easy to delete it thoroughly. https://www.drbuho.com/how-to/uninstall-creative-cloud-mac https://www.drbuho.com/how-to/uninstall-creative-cloud-mac The internet is full of articles and people who cannot uninstall Adobe CC.
        iasay 4y ago
        I did it absolutely fine. There is no junk on the disk and no processes sitting there. A lot of the articles out there are trying to sell cleaning software so they make it look harder than it is.
        4y ago
iasay 4y ago
I used to be like that but quite frankly nothing else comes near Photoshop and Lightroom Classic for me. The bottom end photo sub is cheap and you don't need to use any of the cloud stuff.
- tambourine_man 4y ago
  It's not you. Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator and InDesign are on a class of their own. Unfortunately, nothing comes close. If you don't like Premiere or After Effects, that are great choices. Not so much for the rest of the suite. I'm rooting for Affinity, because of the buy vs rent business model and because Adobe need competition, but they still have a long ways to go
  - danielvaughn 4y ago
    I'm hoping Figma leans a bit on the illustrator market, because their app is phenomenal. The vector editor is great, but is clearly biased towards UI development. If they could release a parallel product that is even close to feature parity with Illustrator, I'd be very happy.
    - tambourine_man 4y ago
      Figma’s selling point are collaboration, UI focus as you mentioned and being a webapp (no install needed) I think there’s much to be done to compete with a general purpose vector tool like Illustrator.
  - spockz 4y ago
    What do you think of the ON1 suite? Their marketing department is quite full of themselves. It also heavily features content aware deletion, filters, and options to replace a sky with some fancy one.
    - tambourine_man 4y ago
      It’s an OK competitor to Lightroom, though I prefer Adobe Camera Raw’s rendering in most cases. But Photoshop is harder to replace.
thatgerhard 4y ago
Same, so over Adobe's last generation software clogging up work computers
pantulis 4y ago
One of the procurement team members from a client said: "Adobe is the most unpleasant vendor we work with". I was surprised and then they added: "We prefer working with Oracle". Somehow they have managed to out-Oracle Oracle.
- Closi 4y ago
  I mean I hate adobe too, but being hated by the procurement team (who are usually incentivised by reducing spend) doesn't always mean that much. Most procurement teams just love suppliers who will give them big quotes and then provide a 50% 'discount' so they can get a great big bonus for all the savings they achieved. Maybe i'm being too pessimistic.
  - t0mas88 4y ago
    This is really a myth, I've never seen any large enterprise do this type of bonus on such a bogus construct and I've seen many.
    - Closi 4y ago
      I've absolutely seen it, so it's not a myth. I worked for a large company (>£50bn revenue) that used to do this in the UK - I had to sign off the 'savings' my procurement stakeholders achieved on the projects (you had to 'agree' their savings and sign them off) because that would go into their performance reports which then triggered their bonus. So it happens. What else do you think procurement teams get targeted on if not savings/price decreases? So what do procurement teams hate? Things purchased from a single supplier, with no competition/accepted substitute, and no/little ability to negotiate the price or payment terms.
      - pantulis 4y ago
        > So what do procurement teams hate? Things purchased from a single supplier, with no competition/accepted substitute, and no/little ability to negotiate the price or payment terms. That is also my experience with procurement. That's their whole reason d´etre
pier25 4y ago
Just the other day I updated Adobe CC and it prompted me to install yet another daemon to check for original Adobe software.

by mikl 4y ago

jb1991 4y ago

Agreed, I have a machine for which it is impossible to uninstall CC completely. I'd have to bust out a full drive wipe and OS reinstall just to get rid of an application. It's silly that tools for artists would need to hook so deeply into the OS and have no reasonable way to get rid of them.

alexalx666 4y ago
well that's rich, that's exactly what I noticed on my GF MacBook Pro, always was putting off until later, good to know that it does not makes sense to spend time on this. Would love to find responsible and install My programs
- fbanon 4y ago
  You can get unCC'd versions of Adobe tools if you know where to look.
  - detritus 4y ago
    ...please, do go on?
    - sofixa 4y ago
      They mean piracy.
      - detritus 4y ago
        Oh. Right. Duh.
- iasay 4y ago
  It's really easy to uninstall their stuff from a Mac. Done it a few times. Just use the CC cloud app to uninstall the main apps then use the CC uninstaller to do it. Then reboot the mac. There are some things left in ~/Library you can clean up manually afterwards and that's it.
  - jb1991 4y ago
    It's not a full uninstall -- all kind of weird stuff sticks around that hooks into various places. Just Google all the things people do just to get the Adobe CC stuff out of their Launchpad. Many users just create a junk folder and throw it all in there because there is no way to get rid of it on some machines.
    - iasay 4y ago
      That’s absolutely not true.
      - jb1991 4y ago
        > it can be overwhelming in some cases when Adobe Creative Cloud won’t uninstall it no matter what they do https://www.fonedog.com/powermymac/adobe-creative-cloud-wont-uninstall.html https://www.fonedog.com/powermymac/adobe-creative-cloud-wont... > there are some reasons that may make you want to uninstall it from your Mac. When you try to remove it, you may find that it is not easy to delete it thoroughly. https://www.drbuho.com/how-to/uninstall-creative-cloud-mac https://www.drbuho.com/how-to/uninstall-creative-cloud-mac The internet is full of articles and people who cannot uninstall Adobe CC.
        iasay 4y ago
        I did it absolutely fine. There is no junk on the disk and no processes sitting there. A lot of the articles out there are trying to sell cleaning software so they make it look harder than it is.
        4y ago

iasay 4y ago

I used to be like that but quite frankly nothing else comes near Photoshop and Lightroom Classic for me. The bottom end photo sub is cheap and you don't need to use any of the cloud stuff.

tambourine_man 4y ago
It's not you. Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator and InDesign are on a class of their own. Unfortunately, nothing comes close. If you don't like Premiere or After Effects, that are great choices. Not so much for the rest of the suite. I'm rooting for Affinity, because of the buy vs rent business model and because Adobe need competition, but they still have a long ways to go
- danielvaughn 4y ago
  I'm hoping Figma leans a bit on the illustrator market, because their app is phenomenal. The vector editor is great, but is clearly biased towards UI development. If they could release a parallel product that is even close to feature parity with Illustrator, I'd be very happy.
  - tambourine_man 4y ago
    Figma’s selling point are collaboration, UI focus as you mentioned and being a webapp (no install needed) I think there’s much to be done to compete with a general purpose vector tool like Illustrator.
- spockz 4y ago
  What do you think of the ON1 suite? Their marketing department is quite full of themselves. It also heavily features content aware deletion, filters, and options to replace a sky with some fancy one.
  - tambourine_man 4y ago
    It’s an OK competitor to Lightroom, though I prefer Adobe Camera Raw’s rendering in most cases. But Photoshop is harder to replace.

thatgerhard 4y ago

Same, so over Adobe's last generation software clogging up work computers

pantulis 4y ago

One of the procurement team members from a client said: "Adobe is the most unpleasant vendor we work with". I was surprised and then they added: "We prefer working with Oracle". Somehow they have managed to out-Oracle Oracle.

Closi 4y ago
I mean I hate adobe too, but being hated by the procurement team (who are usually incentivised by reducing spend) doesn't always mean that much. Most procurement teams just love suppliers who will give them big quotes and then provide a 50% 'discount' so they can get a great big bonus for all the savings they achieved. Maybe i'm being too pessimistic.
- t0mas88 4y ago
  This is really a myth, I've never seen any large enterprise do this type of bonus on such a bogus construct and I've seen many.
  - Closi 4y ago
    I've absolutely seen it, so it's not a myth. I worked for a large company (>£50bn revenue) that used to do this in the UK - I had to sign off the 'savings' my procurement stakeholders achieved on the projects (you had to 'agree' their savings and sign them off) because that would go into their performance reports which then triggered their bonus. So it happens. What else do you think procurement teams get targeted on if not savings/price decreases? So what do procurement teams hate? Things purchased from a single supplier, with no competition/accepted substitute, and no/little ability to negotiate the price or payment terms.
    - pantulis 4y ago
      > So what do procurement teams hate? Things purchased from a single supplier, with no competition/accepted substitute, and no/little ability to negotiate the price or payment terms. That is also my experience with procurement. That's their whole reason d´etre

pier25 4y ago

Just the other day I updated Adobe CC and it prompted me to install yet another daemon to check for original Adobe software.