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This is why software originally started having telemetry. This is a decision that is quite easily answered by telemetry: You bet that a good, say, at least 30%

This is why software originally started having telemetry. This is a decision that is quite easily answered by telemetry: You bet that a good, say, at least 30% of users are definitely sticking with X11. In any server setting, where the maximum youll ever do is VNC into it or hook up a display via VGA, or any setting where actual real work is being done (custom software, etc.) its likely that X11 is even a requirement (correct me if im wrong). Its like deprecating support for windows 7; sure nobody should be using it, but you bet there is a huge (absolutely speaking) number of people using it still, for one reason or another.

lionkor 4y ago
To clarify: - VGA has nothing to do with it, but when I do sysadmin stuff and just walk in, turn on the monitor, i dont want to first troubleshoot wayland, or even install it in the first place - "real work" is the wrong way to put it: i mean when a company has written an application specifically for their own usecase, and (if theyre unlucky) targeting X11
selfhoster11 4y ago
By the time that the vast majority of users move to Wayland, it will be quite obvious that any X11 usage has declined, purely due to the discussions on the community grapevine attesting to that fact. To decide whether a platform needs to be dropped, you don't need anything as fine-grained as telemetry. If you want to be conservative in your estimates (which, if you care about backwards compatibility, you should be), then it will become quite obvious that no-one is using a particular platform any more.
Crysstalis 4y ago
Telemetry won't help, the issue is that there are few developers contributing to X11 anymore. The project is on the way out. Ninety-nine percent of users could be using it and it wouldn't change that. It's not like Windows 7 at all, Microsoft can re-allocate engineers to work on that if need be. In open source there is no manager who can re-allocate anybody.

lionkor 4y ago

To clarify: - VGA has nothing to do with it, but when I do sysadmin stuff and just walk in, turn on the monitor, i dont want to first troubleshoot wayland, or even install it in the first place - "real work" is the wrong way to put it: i mean when a company has written an application specifically for their own usecase, and (if theyre unlucky) targeting X11

selfhoster11 4y ago

By the time that the vast majority of users move to Wayland, it will be quite obvious that any X11 usage has declined, purely due to the discussions on the community grapevine attesting to that fact. To decide whether a platform needs to be dropped, you don't need anything as fine-grained as telemetry. If you want to be conservative in your estimates (which, if you care about backwards compatibility, you should be), then it will become quite obvious that no-one is using a particular platform any more.

Crysstalis 4y ago

Telemetry won't help, the issue is that there are few developers contributing to X11 anymore. The project is on the way out. Ninety-nine percent of users could be using it and it wouldn't change that. It's not like Windows 7 at all, Microsoft can re-allocate engineers to work on that if need be. In open source there is no manager who can re-allocate anybody.