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Should be noted that compared to Unity, GNOME 3 is an even more extreme variant of the phone/netbook UI.

thriftwy 4y ago
I'm wondering why more people are not using KDE. It is a honest desktop environment which does not try to pretend phone/netbook or parrot Mac OS X. Many of KDE apps are the best in a given category. Konsole certainly is.
- bitcharmer 4y ago
  > Many of KDE apps are the best in a given category. Konsole certainly is. Have you tried Terminator?
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    No, but > Terminator on Mac OS X showing live search highlighting and UTF-8 Looks like something working around deficiences in Mac OS X's terminal app which just aren't there in modern X11 terms. Judging from its feature highlights, the only one I did not see in Konsole is horizontal scrolling.
- Lio 4y ago
  I think I'm in a minority here but I prefer Gnome to KDE because it feels like it takes more inspiration from macOS than from Windows. Different strokes for different folks but I don't enjoy the OS/2, Windows, KDE way of doing things. I'm thankful we have choices.
  - herbst 4y ago
    I am in the same boat. Windows 95 like desktops are simply not the most optimal way to work anymore. The reason I like gnome most is because it is so out of the way. I am enjoying maximal screen estate while switching apps is just as easy as it is supposed to be. When gnome shell was new some things were buggy, especially on low power machines, but that changed really quick. I can't think of a single issue.
- noisy_boy 4y ago
  I used Gnome for a very long time, switched to KDE and switched back. Recently I decided to retry KDE after hearing good things about Plasma, and I can say that it wasn't hyperbole. The desktop feels light and snappy, the settings have been cleaned up and organized while retaining the flexibility/configurability. It may not be as "clean" as Gnome out of the box, but it can be customized a whole lot more to how you want your desktop to be.
- worble 4y ago
  I'm basically on KDE for one reason, and that reason is dolphin. No other file manager even comes close in my opinion.
- Yizahi 4y ago
  Not many distros ship KDE as a main and first class DE. On the ones which allows KDE during install (meaning it was at least somehow tested, probably), in my anecdotal experience KDE 5 often run horribly with severe visual bugs. AND then community says this "why did you pick distroname+KDE, it is cutting edge, go pick Mate/Gnome/Cinnamon/XFCE". And both of these things together are rather frustrating.
- CoastalCoder 4y ago
  I use some KDE apps (Konsole, Kdiff3, etc.) even when using a non-KDE desktop such as Pop Shell or Cinnamon. At least on Debian-based distros, those KDE apps just require a lot of additional packages.
- lproven 4y ago
  The common "simple, honest" narrative about KDE is unfair and unjust. Xfce is simple. LXDE is simpler still, and LXQt simpler than that. KDE is not simple. It is a complex and elaborate environment with extremely complex customisation options, and it still doesn't do things I want from a Windows-like desktop. - I can't set (or limit) the size of the Start button or the clock. - I can't have a panel spanning 2+ screens. (That was an option; it was removed.) - I can't have a vertical taskbar that works as well as Windows. - It does not use Windows keystrokes, which in a Windows copy is unacceptable. - If it is so customisable, why can't I have BeOS tabbed title bars? Or side title bars, like in wm2? - Why can't I tick a box that says ALWAYS show me a menu bar, because I hate hamburger menus and never ever want them.
jdub 4y ago
That was never the objective, nor the result. It's just an ill-informed meme.
- okasaki 4y ago
  I don't know which idea is worse, (1) that they forced desktop users on a phone UI intentionally (2) or that they weren't trying to make a phone UI but somehow ended up with the gross garbage that is GNOME 3+ anyway. Either way GNOME 3+ stinks. Even the GNOME developers had to concede and offer the alternative GNOME flashback (https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback), which looks like GNOME 2 (but not customizable). Given how intransigent they are usually, the push-back must have been enormous.
  - addicted 4y ago
    Lol, because Linux users are the biggest whiners on the planet. Almost no one appreciated Unity when it was around. All this nostalgia for it is just that. If Ubuntu switched to Unity tomorrow people would just start whining like mad about it. I bet Gnome Fladhback doesn’t even get 1% of the usage of actual Gnome.
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      I was using Ubuntu but when Unity got dropped I went back to Windows... Now I'm on Fedora 36 with KDE, and :'( my new work laptop has to be Windows :'( so sad.
    - okasaki 4y ago
      Unity wasn't appreciated because it wasn't better than what it was replacing (GNOME 2). Though at least it had a sort of window list you could use to quickly switch windows with a mouse. You know - the device people use on desktop PCs. Nothing to do with whiners. Although I'm sure the world feels like it's full of whiners if you work on UIs at Red Hat. As is often the case though, that feeling is more a reflection of your situation than objective reality.
    - 4y ago
Mikeb85 4y ago
Considering how keyboard-driven Gnome Shell is this is a terrible take...

I'm wondering why more people are not using KDE. It is a honest desktop environment which does not try to pretend phone/netbook or parrot Mac OS X. Many of KDE apps are the best in a given category. Konsole certainly is.

bitcharmer 4y ago
> Many of KDE apps are the best in a given category. Konsole certainly is. Have you tried Terminator?
- thriftwy 4y ago
  No, but > Terminator on Mac OS X showing live search highlighting and UTF-8 Looks like something working around deficiences in Mac OS X's terminal app which just aren't there in modern X11 terms. Judging from its feature highlights, the only one I did not see in Konsole is horizontal scrolling.
Lio 4y ago
I think I'm in a minority here but I prefer Gnome to KDE because it feels like it takes more inspiration from macOS than from Windows. Different strokes for different folks but I don't enjoy the OS/2, Windows, KDE way of doing things. I'm thankful we have choices.
- herbst 4y ago
  I am in the same boat. Windows 95 like desktops are simply not the most optimal way to work anymore. The reason I like gnome most is because it is so out of the way. I am enjoying maximal screen estate while switching apps is just as easy as it is supposed to be. When gnome shell was new some things were buggy, especially on low power machines, but that changed really quick. I can't think of a single issue.
noisy_boy 4y ago
I used Gnome for a very long time, switched to KDE and switched back. Recently I decided to retry KDE after hearing good things about Plasma, and I can say that it wasn't hyperbole. The desktop feels light and snappy, the settings have been cleaned up and organized while retaining the flexibility/configurability. It may not be as "clean" as Gnome out of the box, but it can be customized a whole lot more to how you want your desktop to be.
worble 4y ago
I'm basically on KDE for one reason, and that reason is dolphin. No other file manager even comes close in my opinion.
Yizahi 4y ago
Not many distros ship KDE as a main and first class DE. On the ones which allows KDE during install (meaning it was at least somehow tested, probably), in my anecdotal experience KDE 5 often run horribly with severe visual bugs. AND then community says this "why did you pick distroname+KDE, it is cutting edge, go pick Mate/Gnome/Cinnamon/XFCE". And both of these things together are rather frustrating.
CoastalCoder 4y ago
I use some KDE apps (Konsole, Kdiff3, etc.) even when using a non-KDE desktop such as Pop Shell or Cinnamon. At least on Debian-based distros, those KDE apps just require a lot of additional packages.
lproven 4y ago
The common "simple, honest" narrative about KDE is unfair and unjust. Xfce is simple. LXDE is simpler still, and LXQt simpler than that. KDE is not simple. It is a complex and elaborate environment with extremely complex customisation options, and it still doesn't do things I want from a Windows-like desktop. - I can't set (or limit) the size of the Start button or the clock. - I can't have a panel spanning 2+ screens. (That was an option; it was removed.) - I can't have a vertical taskbar that works as well as Windows. - It does not use Windows keystrokes, which in a Windows copy is unacceptable. - If it is so customisable, why can't I have BeOS tabbed title bars? Or side title bars, like in wm2? - Why can't I tick a box that says ALWAYS show me a menu bar, because I hate hamburger menus and never ever want them.

jdub 4y ago

That was never the objective, nor the result. It's just an ill-informed meme.

okasaki 4y ago
I don't know which idea is worse, (1) that they forced desktop users on a phone UI intentionally (2) or that they weren't trying to make a phone UI but somehow ended up with the gross garbage that is GNOME 3+ anyway. Either way GNOME 3+ stinks. Even the GNOME developers had to concede and offer the alternative GNOME flashback (https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback), which looks like GNOME 2 (but not customizable). Given how intransigent they are usually, the push-back must have been enormous.
- addicted 4y ago
  Lol, because Linux users are the biggest whiners on the planet. Almost no one appreciated Unity when it was around. All this nostalgia for it is just that. If Ubuntu switched to Unity tomorrow people would just start whining like mad about it. I bet Gnome Fladhback doesn’t even get 1% of the usage of actual Gnome.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    I was using Ubuntu but when Unity got dropped I went back to Windows... Now I'm on Fedora 36 with KDE, and :'( my new work laptop has to be Windows :'( so sad.
  - okasaki 4y ago
    Unity wasn't appreciated because it wasn't better than what it was replacing (GNOME 2). Though at least it had a sort of window list you could use to quickly switch windows with a mouse. You know - the device people use on desktop PCs. Nothing to do with whiners. Although I'm sure the world feels like it's full of whiners if you work on UIs at Red Hat. As is often the case though, that feeling is more a reflection of your situation than objective reality.
  - 4y ago

Mikeb85 4y ago

Considering how keyboard-driven Gnome Shell is this is a terrible take...