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It's crazy that we have come there, but reading this I am actually entertaining buying one. It is shocking how bad the experience of listening to my own music

by cm2187 4y ago

It's crazy that we have come there, but reading this I am actually entertaining buying one. It is shocking how bad the experience of listening to my own music has become on iphones. Dongles (different for ipads and iphone of course), itunes for windows is barely usable, there is a bug they never fixed where the music player on iOS randomly mismatch the album artwork, and there are so many conflicting gestures that I always end up messing what I am trying to do. And like a year ago an OS update auto-decreases the volume if it deems I am listening too loud. Android isn't an option for me because Google. But it's a pain to have to carry two devices, manage two batteries.

ozzythecat 4y ago
I religiously use Spotify for music on my iPhone. Are you against the subscription payment model, or are you considering this device because it’s better than Spotify on an iPhone? If it is better, how so? Genuinely curious if there are better music options than my current “setup”.
- cm2187 4y ago
  Subscription model doesn't work for the stuff I listen to. I want specific interpretations of specific operas, I want playlists by composer (no two album uses the same spelling for a classical music composer). I want playlists that skip the recitatives, etc. And I already own the music, legally purchased on itunes and amazon. Why would I rent it?
- thirdsun 4y ago
  While Spotify covers most popular stuff there's a huge amount of music that isn't available on any streaming service. Plus, your content might disappear any day. I use Spotify for previewing, exploring and making some buying decisions but my actual collection is mine. It's lossless, DRM-free and I plan to have it for ages to come.
  - chanc3e 4y ago
    This is it for me, I used Apple Music for a few years and eventually I noticed that some of my playlists would have tracks missing - sometimes a listing would be ghosted, sometimes it would straight up vanish. I called time, brought a A50 and haven't looked back: https://chanc.ee/posts/20200830-abandon-stream.html https://chanc.ee/posts/20200830-abandon-stream.html Granted my music tastes are esoteric but silently modifying my playlists felt grievous. Now I make sure that subscription money goes on supporting artists directly.
    - jeffhuys 4y ago
      But the nice thing about apple music is that you can add any song to it on your PC and it syncs it to all your devices. So if you have an esoteric taste, you can mix it in with the streaming service.
blep-arsh 4y ago
Sony specifically might not be the best option for a modern audio player. I've tried using A55 but exchanged it for a Shanling M0 eventually.
- cm2187 4y ago
  Why is that? The thing that terrifies me with less known brands is the quality of the DAC. I had so many shitty mp3 players before settling on ipods in 2003. Even today most laptops motherboard DAC are useless.
  - blep-arsh 4y ago
    M0 is much lighter and cheaper and uses USB-C instead of a proprietary cable. The feature set is roughly similar (audio formats, USB audio, BT source/sink, etc.). It doesn't offer any media sync software, though. DAC should be good ("ESS Sabre ES9218P") but honestly I can't tell the difference between Apple's own 3.5mm-Lightning dongles and fancy audio equipment. At least it's not obviously noisy.
  - blep-arsh 4y ago
    P.S. These players don't have very powerful CPUs, obviously, and this makes me wonder whether they can handle more complex audio compression formats (such as AAC encoding for Bluetooth) without cheating and using sub-optimal encoding settings.
thirdsun 4y ago
You might already be aware but there is a range of alternative music players on iOS that focus on listening to a local music library. Doesn't help with dongles - but may fix your software issues. Here's a very in-depth showcase of your options: https://barrowclift.me/post/fourth-annual-ios-music-player-showcase/complete https://barrowclift.me/post/fourth-annual-ios-music-player-s... For me the killer feature of the desktop music.app is still the option to transcode to a lower bitrate during sync. My lossless music library spans close to 2 TB (and growing) these days. SD cards are very expensive at that kidn of storage - so in contrast to the article sd cards certainly don't provide limitless space. Anyway. To meet mobile storage requirements I need to transcode it to 256 kbps AAC and I don't want to handle this manually or manage a second lossy library. music.app / iTunes easily does this on the fly during sync. I'm sure other software / hardare players can do that too - but if it's the same process why would I carry an additional device around? The iPhone is just very convenient for that purpose. Otherwise I really like Sony's Walkman range.
rramadass 4y ago
Checkout the Fiio M5 : https://www.fiio.com/m5 https://www.fiio.com/m5 Bag one if you can get it since it has been discontinued.

by cm2187 4y ago

ozzythecat 4y ago

I religiously use Spotify for music on my iPhone. Are you against the subscription payment model, or are you considering this device because it’s better than Spotify on an iPhone? If it is better, how so? Genuinely curious if there are better music options than my current “setup”.

cm2187 4y ago
Subscription model doesn't work for the stuff I listen to. I want specific interpretations of specific operas, I want playlists by composer (no two album uses the same spelling for a classical music composer). I want playlists that skip the recitatives, etc. And I already own the music, legally purchased on itunes and amazon. Why would I rent it?
thirdsun 4y ago
While Spotify covers most popular stuff there's a huge amount of music that isn't available on any streaming service. Plus, your content might disappear any day. I use Spotify for previewing, exploring and making some buying decisions but my actual collection is mine. It's lossless, DRM-free and I plan to have it for ages to come.
- chanc3e 4y ago
  This is it for me, I used Apple Music for a few years and eventually I noticed that some of my playlists would have tracks missing - sometimes a listing would be ghosted, sometimes it would straight up vanish. I called time, brought a A50 and haven't looked back: https://chanc.ee/posts/20200830-abandon-stream.html https://chanc.ee/posts/20200830-abandon-stream.html Granted my music tastes are esoteric but silently modifying my playlists felt grievous. Now I make sure that subscription money goes on supporting artists directly.
  - jeffhuys 4y ago
    But the nice thing about apple music is that you can add any song to it on your PC and it syncs it to all your devices. So if you have an esoteric taste, you can mix it in with the streaming service.

blep-arsh 4y ago

Sony specifically might not be the best option for a modern audio player. I've tried using A55 but exchanged it for a Shanling M0 eventually.

cm2187 4y ago
Why is that? The thing that terrifies me with less known brands is the quality of the DAC. I had so many shitty mp3 players before settling on ipods in 2003. Even today most laptops motherboard DAC are useless.
- blep-arsh 4y ago
  M0 is much lighter and cheaper and uses USB-C instead of a proprietary cable. The feature set is roughly similar (audio formats, USB audio, BT source/sink, etc.). It doesn't offer any media sync software, though. DAC should be good ("ESS Sabre ES9218P") but honestly I can't tell the difference between Apple's own 3.5mm-Lightning dongles and fancy audio equipment. At least it's not obviously noisy.
- blep-arsh 4y ago
  P.S. These players don't have very powerful CPUs, obviously, and this makes me wonder whether they can handle more complex audio compression formats (such as AAC encoding for Bluetooth) without cheating and using sub-optimal encoding settings.

thirdsun 4y ago

You might already be aware but there is a range of alternative music players on iOS that focus on listening to a local music library. Doesn't help with dongles - but may fix your software issues. Here's a very in-depth showcase of your options: https://barrowclift.me/post/fourth-annual-ios-music-player-showcase/complete https://barrowclift.me/post/fourth-annual-ios-music-player-s... For me the killer feature of the desktop music.app is still the option to transcode to a lower bitrate during sync. My lossless music library spans close to 2 TB (and growing) these days. SD cards are very expensive at that kidn of storage - so in contrast to the article sd cards certainly don't provide limitless space. Anyway. To meet mobile storage requirements I need to transcode it to 256 kbps AAC and I don't want to handle this manually or manage a second lossy library. music.app / iTunes easily does this on the fly during sync. I'm sure other software / hardare players can do that too - but if it's the same process why would I carry an additional device around? The iPhone is just very convenient for that purpose. Otherwise I really like Sony's Walkman range.

rramadass 4y ago

Checkout the Fiio M5 : https://www.fiio.com/m5 https://www.fiio.com/m5 Bag one if you can get it since it has been discontinued.