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Or just live somewhere where consuming copyrighted content isn't a crime

by kyruzic 4y ago

deltaonefour 4y ago
Yeah or change the laws everywhere so copyright isn't a crime. Easy peasy.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  I live in a country where that will never happen
seoaeu 4y ago
So either rent a server in some country that doesn’t recognize copyright law, or uproot your entire life and move there? Why would anyone choose the second option?
- permo-w 4y ago
  the UK would be a good example of what they're referring to. in the UK there's absolutely no enforcement of consumer internet piracy laws whatsoever
  - budafish 4y ago
    Wait. Is this true? As in they have laws they just don't enforce them?
    - ugjka 4y ago
      You get fined by your ISP (cough Virgin cough)
    - nsteel 4y ago
      There's more of a focus on "commercial-scale" pirates. There used to be fines handed out to individuals but I thought they had given up on that a while back, but maybe not: https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/09/customers-of-virgin-media-and-other-uk-isps-hit-by-piracy-letters.html https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/09/customers-of-v... > As we said earlier, such campaigns don’t have a terribly strong history of success in the UK. The courts have also previously warned such firms to be very careful about the use of threatening language, given that those being targeted are not yet proven to be guilty of what they are accused. > Voltage seems to require the letter recipients’ to convince the firm that they weren’t responsible, but in law, the burden of proof is normally on Voltage to prove that the recipient is the one responsible and not the other way around. Also see: * https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-its-a-crime-uk-govt-ignored-warnings-now-families-pay-the-price-220601/ https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-its-a-crime-uk-govt-ignored-... * https://www.lewissilkin.com/en/insights/shipwrecking-online-pirates-we-cant-wait-for-a-change-in-the-wind-we-need-to-adjust-their-sails https://www.lewissilkin.com/en/insights/shipwrecking-online-... * https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/new-law-to-deter-software-piracy-in-the-uk https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/new-law-to-deter-...
    - toyg 4y ago
      No, it isn't. Parent poster just talked out of his arse.
      - permo-w 4y ago
        evidence for this?
        toyg 4y ago
        Digital Economy Act 2017 increased the already-existing penalties to max 10 years in prison for copyright infringement - which you technically commit every time you fire up BitTorrent without blocking upload. The same act (and its predecessor 2010 bill) compels ISPs with over 400k subscribers (i.e. all the big ones) to monitor subscribers for such activity. Then you have stuff like this: https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020/09/17/uk-police-take-unprecedented-step-in-clamping-down-on-piracy/ https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020/09/17/uk-police-take-un... The fact that prosecuting authorities tend to go after distributors rather than consumers is simply due to a value-for-money calculation. There is no formal or informal decriminalisation of consumer piracy, if they could find a cheap way to go after everyone they would - and they likely will, sooner or later.
        permo-w 4y ago
        if we've had laws such as that since 2017, and they were being enforced, you would have heard of people getting sentences, or even fines, right? surely you can find stronger evidence than the police taking the unprecedented step of contacting - contacting, not arresting, or fining - a few tens of thousand in one region of the country?
  - fao_ 4y ago
    Well, there is. You usually get a redirect to a website that says THIS HAS BEEN BLOCKED BY THE HIGH COURT or some shit. and then at that point you find the other domain that isn't, or just type in the IP. It's all very shallow
    - barnabee 4y ago
      Or use another DNS service (Quad9, Cloudflare, Google, etc.) and never even be aware the block exists :)
    - permo-w 4y ago
      that's not enforcement of consumer piracy laws. that's enforcement of distributor piracy laws
  - toyg 4y ago
    That's not true. ISPs are supposed to monitor their networks for illegal activity and notify consumers if they detect them doing illegal things. I got threatened with disconnection about 10 years ago, because my then-wife was downloading TV series fairly regularly via BitTorrent. Also, people using stuff like IPTV and the likes are routinely cracked down on, with jail sentences and all. I honestly have no idea how you could come up with a sentence like that. The UK is among the most piracy-restricting countries in Western Europe, because of the massive influence of a certain media-baron over the political landscape among other things.
    - permo-w 4y ago
      because everyone I know pirates and no one I know has had an issue with it. I've never read an article about anyone being prosecuted for it. respectable people do it without fear 10 years ago is a long time
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rasz 4y ago
with popcorn you are simultaneously distributing, and that is the main problem
- Zircom 4y ago
  Yeah, I have had 0 copyright notices ever just downloading stuff, until literally this last week when I actually decided to stop being a leacher and seeded all the torrents I still had the files downloaded back up to 3x ratio. Got 3 copyright notices in a few days and then they actually flat out turned my internet off this morning until I called them. So finally got around to buying and setting up Mullvad and now all will be good from now on hopefully.
  - dncornholio 4y ago
    Where were you located?
    - Zircom 4y ago
      Dallas, Texas with Spectrum for the last 3 or 4 years.
- squarefoot 4y ago
  Would it be enough to slice the data between different connections when a country with restrictive laws is detected, so that no user is actually sharing working copies, not even single pages, portions of a song or single frames of a movie? That would be doable by separating data at atomic level, say odd nibbles here, even nibbles there, and transmit/receive them on different connections so that even by intercepting 100% of a transmission from point A to B there would be no chance to reconstruct the data, even in case the encryption, if present, was broken. The only way would be to tap also other connections containing the other half plus data for reconstruction, which would probably require physical access to the endpoint, or a court permit to intercept all data from to that endpoint, which is totally doable but on a whole different level, that is, if they are doing that then the user is already in trouble.

Or just live somewhere where consuming copyrighted content isn't a crime

deltaonefour 4y ago

Yeah or change the laws everywhere so copyright isn't a crime. Easy peasy.

stjohnswarts 4y ago
I live in a country where that will never happen

seoaeu 4y ago

So either rent a server in some country that doesn’t recognize copyright law, or uproot your entire life and move there? Why would anyone choose the second option?

permo-w 4y ago
the UK would be a good example of what they're referring to. in the UK there's absolutely no enforcement of consumer internet piracy laws whatsoever
- budafish 4y ago
  Wait. Is this true? As in they have laws they just don't enforce them?
  - ugjka 4y ago
    You get fined by your ISP (cough Virgin cough)
  - nsteel 4y ago
    There's more of a focus on "commercial-scale" pirates. There used to be fines handed out to individuals but I thought they had given up on that a while back, but maybe not: https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/09/customers-of-virgin-media-and-other-uk-isps-hit-by-piracy-letters.html https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/09/customers-of-v... > As we said earlier, such campaigns don’t have a terribly strong history of success in the UK. The courts have also previously warned such firms to be very careful about the use of threatening language, given that those being targeted are not yet proven to be guilty of what they are accused. > Voltage seems to require the letter recipients’ to convince the firm that they weren’t responsible, but in law, the burden of proof is normally on Voltage to prove that the recipient is the one responsible and not the other way around. Also see: * https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-its-a-crime-uk-govt-ignored-warnings-now-families-pay-the-price-220601/ https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-its-a-crime-uk-govt-ignored-... * https://www.lewissilkin.com/en/insights/shipwrecking-online-pirates-we-cant-wait-for-a-change-in-the-wind-we-need-to-adjust-their-sails https://www.lewissilkin.com/en/insights/shipwrecking-online-... * https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/new-law-to-deter-software-piracy-in-the-uk https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/new-law-to-deter-...
  - toyg 4y ago
    No, it isn't. Parent poster just talked out of his arse.
    - permo-w 4y ago
      evidence for this?
      - toyg 4y ago
        Digital Economy Act 2017 increased the already-existing penalties to max 10 years in prison for copyright infringement - which you technically commit every time you fire up BitTorrent without blocking upload. The same act (and its predecessor 2010 bill) compels ISPs with over 400k subscribers (i.e. all the big ones) to monitor subscribers for such activity. Then you have stuff like this: https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020/09/17/uk-police-take-unprecedented-step-in-clamping-down-on-piracy/ https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020/09/17/uk-police-take-un... The fact that prosecuting authorities tend to go after distributors rather than consumers is simply due to a value-for-money calculation. There is no formal or informal decriminalisation of consumer piracy, if they could find a cheap way to go after everyone they would - and they likely will, sooner or later.
        permo-w 4y ago
        if we've had laws such as that since 2017, and they were being enforced, you would have heard of people getting sentences, or even fines, right? surely you can find stronger evidence than the police taking the unprecedented step of contacting - contacting, not arresting, or fining - a few tens of thousand in one region of the country?
- fao_ 4y ago
  Well, there is. You usually get a redirect to a website that says THIS HAS BEEN BLOCKED BY THE HIGH COURT or some shit. and then at that point you find the other domain that isn't, or just type in the IP. It's all very shallow
  - barnabee 4y ago
    Or use another DNS service (Quad9, Cloudflare, Google, etc.) and never even be aware the block exists :)
  - permo-w 4y ago
    that's not enforcement of consumer piracy laws. that's enforcement of distributor piracy laws
- toyg 4y ago
  That's not true. ISPs are supposed to monitor their networks for illegal activity and notify consumers if they detect them doing illegal things. I got threatened with disconnection about 10 years ago, because my then-wife was downloading TV series fairly regularly via BitTorrent. Also, people using stuff like IPTV and the likes are routinely cracked down on, with jail sentences and all. I honestly have no idea how you could come up with a sentence like that. The UK is among the most piracy-restricting countries in Western Europe, because of the massive influence of a certain media-baron over the political landscape among other things.
  - permo-w 4y ago
    because everyone I know pirates and no one I know has had an issue with it. I've never read an article about anyone being prosecuted for it. respectable people do it without fear 10 years ago is a long time
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rasz 4y ago

with popcorn you are simultaneously distributing, and that is the main problem

Zircom 4y ago
Yeah, I have had 0 copyright notices ever just downloading stuff, until literally this last week when I actually decided to stop being a leacher and seeded all the torrents I still had the files downloaded back up to 3x ratio. Got 3 copyright notices in a few days and then they actually flat out turned my internet off this morning until I called them. So finally got around to buying and setting up Mullvad and now all will be good from now on hopefully.
- dncornholio 4y ago
  Where were you located?
  - Zircom 4y ago
    Dallas, Texas with Spectrum for the last 3 or 4 years.
squarefoot 4y ago
Would it be enough to slice the data between different connections when a country with restrictive laws is detected, so that no user is actually sharing working copies, not even single pages, portions of a song or single frames of a movie? That would be doable by separating data at atomic level, say odd nibbles here, even nibbles there, and transmit/receive them on different connections so that even by intercepting 100% of a transmission from point A to B there would be no chance to reconstruct the data, even in case the encryption, if present, was broken. The only way would be to tap also other connections containing the other half plus data for reconstruction, which would probably require physical access to the endpoint, or a court permit to intercept all data from to that endpoint, which is totally doable but on a whole different level, that is, if they are doing that then the user is already in trouble.