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Anonymous calls off outing of cartel after release of kidnapped member

54 points by thehigherlife 15y ago

daenz 15y ago
This is a good learning experience for Anonymous. They've never faced an organization that has no qualms about kidnapping and brutally murdering them. Maybe there will be a change in their tactics?
- mpd 15y ago
  This assumes anonymous is a unified collective, when they are really much closer to a flag of convenience.
  - lawnchair_larry 15y ago
    A good way of putting it. So many people don't seem to get this. There is no "anonymous". Everyone is "anonymous".
- wan23 15y ago
  Sounds to me like their core tactic - being anonymous - is the best defense against that.
- michaelchisari 15y ago
  At the same time, Anon publishing information about the Zetas means the other cartels do their dirty work for them. Anon can't go head to head with a drug cartel, it's true, especially not on their terms. But let's not pretend that Anon was a paper tiger in all this.
- scythe 15y ago
  They seem to have succeeded here, though by some excellent luck.
orblivion 15y ago
Wait I thought they called it off for a different reason about a week ago. EDIT: RTFA! Sorry. The Zetas actually released the guy? Wow!
hugh3 15y ago
Many aspects of this story sound too good (too narratively neat, that is) to be true. Is there any evidence that this is anything other than a big hoax orchestrated by Anonymous for publicity and/or lulz? Any third-party confirmation that any part of this story is true, or are we just basing everything off what Anonymous has told us? I mean, any evidence that this unnamed guy was ever kidnapped, that he was ever released, or that Anonymous ever actually had any information about Los Zetas in the first place? Just wondering, not accusing anyone of lying, just not entirely confident that "Anonymous" is a trustworthy source.
- mc32 15y ago
  Well, unless this was done by someone posing as Anonymous. The hostage returned with a message claiming that the kidnappers said any exposure of information resulting in the outing of a gangster would result in the demise of Anonymous 10-fold. I.e. why would Anonymous tell themselves to shut up in such a convoluted way?
  - hugh3 15y ago
    The hostage returned with a message claiming that the kidnappers said any exposure of information resulting in the outing of a gangster would result in the demise of Anonymous 10-fold. Where's the evidence that there ever was a hostage?
- ChuckMcM 15y ago
  One of the weird things I thought about was what if the Arizona Police department that got screwed by Anons decides to release information they know about Zetas as if they were members of Anonymous? I'm sure that at least a few law enforcement officers may have felt less safe once their information was released, why wouldn't they return the favor? Anyway, I agree that the story reads more like fiction than fact, I suppose only time will tell.
poiuytrew 15y ago
I am surprised this threat could silence Anonymous. I was expecting some twisted counter threat from them along the lines of: 'you kill about 10 people every week anyway so for every 10 people that are killed we will release 100 more names'. So if Anonymous release 1 name, then the Zetas kill 10, then Anonymous release 100 names, then the Zetas have obligated themselves to kill 1000 people, then Anonymous release 10000. Now, in quite short order the Zetas have to kill 100,000 people. Which is a lot, even for them.
- fredoliveira 15y ago
  You are assuming that anonymous have information on 10, 100 and 10000 people belonging to the zetas. If that was the case, this could have unfolded quite differently. (by this I don't mean that the claim by anonymous that they have information regarding the identity of Zeta members is a lie - I just mean that the information that they do have probably doesn't warrant a move such as the one you suggest)
- orblivion 15y ago
  But Anonymous got what they wanted. They said release the guy or we release the names. And the guy got released.
lawnchair_larry 15y ago
This whole thing sounded so strange and unlike the MO of anyone associated with anonymous. I don't think I will speculate about what really happened (hoax, anon copycats, whatever) but I really doubt that there was much behind these claims. It's amusing though, because they will still get credit for it, and that will further contribute to their mystique.

54 points by thehigherlife 15y ago

daenz 15y ago

This is a good learning experience for Anonymous. They've never faced an organization that has no qualms about kidnapping and brutally murdering them. Maybe there will be a change in their tactics?

mpd 15y ago
This assumes anonymous is a unified collective, when they are really much closer to a flag of convenience.
- lawnchair_larry 15y ago
  A good way of putting it. So many people don't seem to get this. There is no "anonymous". Everyone is "anonymous".
wan23 15y ago
Sounds to me like their core tactic - being anonymous - is the best defense against that.
michaelchisari 15y ago
At the same time, Anon publishing information about the Zetas means the other cartels do their dirty work for them. Anon can't go head to head with a drug cartel, it's true, especially not on their terms. But let's not pretend that Anon was a paper tiger in all this.
scythe 15y ago
They seem to have succeeded here, though by some excellent luck.

orblivion 15y ago

Wait I thought they called it off for a different reason about a week ago. EDIT: RTFA! Sorry. The Zetas actually released the guy? Wow!

hugh3 15y ago

Many aspects of this story sound too good (too narratively neat, that is) to be true. Is there any evidence that this is anything other than a big hoax orchestrated by Anonymous for publicity and/or lulz? Any third-party confirmation that any part of this story is true, or are we just basing everything off what Anonymous has told us? I mean, any evidence that this unnamed guy was ever kidnapped, that he was ever released, or that Anonymous ever actually had any information about Los Zetas in the first place? Just wondering, not accusing anyone of lying, just not entirely confident that "Anonymous" is a trustworthy source.

mc32 15y ago
Well, unless this was done by someone posing as Anonymous. The hostage returned with a message claiming that the kidnappers said any exposure of information resulting in the outing of a gangster would result in the demise of Anonymous 10-fold. I.e. why would Anonymous tell themselves to shut up in such a convoluted way?
- hugh3 15y ago
  The hostage returned with a message claiming that the kidnappers said any exposure of information resulting in the outing of a gangster would result in the demise of Anonymous 10-fold. Where's the evidence that there ever was a hostage?
ChuckMcM 15y ago
One of the weird things I thought about was what if the Arizona Police department that got screwed by Anons decides to release information they know about Zetas as if they were members of Anonymous? I'm sure that at least a few law enforcement officers may have felt less safe once their information was released, why wouldn't they return the favor? Anyway, I agree that the story reads more like fiction than fact, I suppose only time will tell.

poiuytrew 15y ago

I am surprised this threat could silence Anonymous. I was expecting some twisted counter threat from them along the lines of: 'you kill about 10 people every week anyway so for every 10 people that are killed we will release 100 more names'. So if Anonymous release 1 name, then the Zetas kill 10, then Anonymous release 100 names, then the Zetas have obligated themselves to kill 1000 people, then Anonymous release 10000. Now, in quite short order the Zetas have to kill 100,000 people. Which is a lot, even for them.

fredoliveira 15y ago
You are assuming that anonymous have information on 10, 100 and 10000 people belonging to the zetas. If that was the case, this could have unfolded quite differently. (by this I don't mean that the claim by anonymous that they have information regarding the identity of Zeta members is a lie - I just mean that the information that they do have probably doesn't warrant a move such as the one you suggest)
orblivion 15y ago
But Anonymous got what they wanted. They said release the guy or we release the names. And the guy got released.

lawnchair_larry 15y ago

This whole thing sounded so strange and unlike the MO of anyone associated with anonymous. I don't think I will speculate about what really happened (hoax, anon copycats, whatever) but I really doubt that there was much behind these claims. It's amusing though, because they will still get credit for it, and that will further contribute to their mystique.