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Can't they use DHCP leases? Thankfully, ISP doesn't show that much effort.

silisili 4y ago
Even if they weren't too lazy to, an IP doesn't and can't identify a person or even household. Must be my neighbors downloading movies on my open wifi network, I can't figure out these high tech router thingymajigs ;).
- elcomet 4y ago
  In France it's an offence to not configure securely your network if there's some illegal stuff happening on it. You are held responsible for any downloads on your own network.
  - RHSeeger 4y ago
    If that's the case, then it should be illegal for companies to sell devices that have issues that can be exploited in them.
    - silisili 4y ago
      Right? Seems like half of consumer routers have or have had an open exploit. I believe the GP, but can't see it being enforced.
  - mod 4y ago
    That must be tough on the ISPs.
    - autoexec 4y ago
      It's how it works for US ISPs already, at least as far as copyright is concerned. If an ISP doesn't uphold the DMCA, and they allow repeat offenders on their networks (defined as "unproved accusations by the media industry that an IP was logged more than once") the ISP can become liable for the actions of their subscribers and subject to billions in fines. See Cox cable and the dozen or so other lawsuits against ISPs going on right now
    - elcomet 4y ago
      ISPs are not held responsible
  - richrichardsson 4y ago
    How securely must it be secured? If you put a trivially guessable password are you still liable? Are there still exploits for wireless encryption? Kind of crazy that there isn't a huge burden of proof required by the accuser.
- deleted 4y ago
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- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  Well, your ISP knows which customer account it routed to at a given moment in time. The rest doesn't necessarily matter to them. For example, I asked what happens if you ignore Comcast's Bittorrent warning and someone else on HN said they do indeed terminate your account. Maybe playing dumb doesn't get you off the hook. Or it reveals you as a dumb helpless open relay. The most I can imagine Comcast doing if you responded to them would be sending over a technician to reset your router password.
  - teaearlgraycold 4y ago
    The number one rule is don’t respond to the email
  - bruce511 4y ago
    >> For example, I asked what happens if you ignore Comcast's Bittorrent warning and someone else on HN said they do indeed terminate your account. Wait, what?? If I want to cancel comcast I should just install bittorrent , and I don't have to negotiate the hassle of cancelling over the phone?
    - londons_explore 4y ago
      And you don't have to pay the early termination fee either... Sometimes the fee can be the remaining service fee - so for a $150/month 24 month plan that's a whopping $3600!
- depressedpanda 4y ago
  For many years I ran my local WiFi "secured" by WEP for this reason. Then I'd have plausible deniability since it's so ridiculously easy to crack.

Even if they weren't too lazy to, an IP doesn't and can't identify a person or even household. Must be my neighbors downloading movies on my open wifi network, I can't figure out these high tech router thingymajigs ;).

elcomet 4y ago
In France it's an offence to not configure securely your network if there's some illegal stuff happening on it. You are held responsible for any downloads on your own network.
- RHSeeger 4y ago
  If that's the case, then it should be illegal for companies to sell devices that have issues that can be exploited in them.
  - silisili 4y ago
    Right? Seems like half of consumer routers have or have had an open exploit. I believe the GP, but can't see it being enforced.
- mod 4y ago
  That must be tough on the ISPs.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    It's how it works for US ISPs already, at least as far as copyright is concerned. If an ISP doesn't uphold the DMCA, and they allow repeat offenders on their networks (defined as "unproved accusations by the media industry that an IP was logged more than once") the ISP can become liable for the actions of their subscribers and subject to billions in fines. See Cox cable and the dozen or so other lawsuits against ISPs going on right now
  - elcomet 4y ago
    ISPs are not held responsible
- richrichardsson 4y ago
  How securely must it be secured? If you put a trivially guessable password are you still liable? Are there still exploits for wireless encryption? Kind of crazy that there isn't a huge burden of proof required by the accuser.
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hombre_fatal 4y ago
Well, your ISP knows which customer account it routed to at a given moment in time. The rest doesn't necessarily matter to them. For example, I asked what happens if you ignore Comcast's Bittorrent warning and someone else on HN said they do indeed terminate your account. Maybe playing dumb doesn't get you off the hook. Or it reveals you as a dumb helpless open relay. The most I can imagine Comcast doing if you responded to them would be sending over a technician to reset your router password.
- teaearlgraycold 4y ago
  The number one rule is don’t respond to the email
- bruce511 4y ago
  >> For example, I asked what happens if you ignore Comcast's Bittorrent warning and someone else on HN said they do indeed terminate your account. Wait, what?? If I want to cancel comcast I should just install bittorrent , and I don't have to negotiate the hassle of cancelling over the phone?
  - londons_explore 4y ago
    And you don't have to pay the early termination fee either... Sometimes the fee can be the remaining service fee - so for a $150/month 24 month plan that's a whopping $3600!
depressedpanda 4y ago
For many years I ran my local WiFi "secured" by WEP for this reason. Then I'd have plausible deniability since it's so ridiculously easy to crack.