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You are mistaking focus for meditation. As in, to "meditate on something." Certainly, meditation training involves focusing on something, but that is not the go
by jvanderbot 4y ago
You are mistaking focus for meditation. As in, to "meditate on something." Certainly, meditation training involves focusing on something, but that is not the goal. (See "barking at the finger").
The first goal is to use attention to notice why attention fails to stay focused. You realize you involuntarily experience thoughts arising and pulling you from what you are focusing on. Eventually, you become aware of the ceaseless, rootless, seemingly causeless stream of thoughts that you've been calling your "inner self" this whole time. At this point you are experiencing the "Movie theater effect" described in other replies.
So, stage one is "So what". Stage two is "Holy shit I'm always distracted". At stage two you start to feel relaxation as you detach from the feelings that those thoughts cause. Because those thoughts don't feel like really "yours" anymore.
You can stop here and read "waking up" a few times to get a better diagnosis of the problem with this pathway to enlightenment.
I'll try to summarize:
Stage 3 is ... Nothing, really. There is no "you" there is only these stream of thoughts, and the thoughts about those thoughts, and etc etc. You could have seen this without all this focus-on-breath business.
Or so I'm told. I'm at stage 2, and stage 3 makes sense to me in terms of physics, but it is difficult to push back the fog of self-delusion.
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- aristofun 4y agoThese whole stages thing looks too much like a sales funnel. What if I don’t buy your descriptions and don’t accept this narrative? Then who is to decide which stage I’m at?
- jvanderbot 4y agoYou decide, and you're free to do as you see fit, including adjusting the goals or stages to match your experience, that's just first-hand (and second-hand, from others) testimony that you requested. The wealth of literature on the topic is at your disposal. My recommendations if you'd like to have a skim are Waking Up (Harris), Happiness Hypothesis (Haidt), both of which take a bird's eye view of the practices and try to position it with respect to both personal experience and medical establishment. Haidt is more scientific than Harris, but Harris is much more experienced.
- aristofun 4y agoI am grateful for sharing your personal experience. I’m not criticizing your experience, but rather the general picture described. The questions I would ask some monk representing some tradition. You gave a good answer btw, thanks.