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what? Tegel was the best airport ever, you could literally be there 20min before check-in and still get your plane. Nowadays I have to arrive 3-4hrs before, teg

by arez 4y ago

what? Tegel was the best airport ever, you could literally be there 20min before check-in and still get your plane. Nowadays I have to arrive 3-4hrs before, tegel was a blessing a true king of all airports, all hail tegel

kolinko 4y ago
> Nowadays I have to arrive 3-4hrs before I flew through the new Berlin airport 2 times this week, and had no issues going through security and to the gates. That 3-4hrs in your case seems absurdly long - were there crazy lines at the checkin or sth?
b112 4y ago
Nowadays I have to arrive 3-4hrs before This is true many places, although I tend to show with a tighter timetable myself. But it's so absurd, so silly. It's actually faster to drive from Ottawa to Toronto(4 to 5 hr drive) than take a plane, and cheaper.. even with current fuel costs, too. What a way to ruin a mode of travel.
- vanviegen 4y ago
  To me it's absurd that flying such a short distance apparently was an attractive option (to some) until recently.
  - bobthepanda 4y ago
    Usually, most small flights of that type are connections onward. It's usually good for passengers because all other things being equal the security procedures at smaller airports, the traffic etc. is a lot less bad.
    - rglullis 4y ago
      Trains still should be the alternative for these cases. The only exception I can think of where short-haul flights could be accepted is from small islands that need connection to a larger city inland.
  - b112 4y ago
    It's about 450km, which is between 4 and 5 hours, traffic at each city depending.. A propeller plane shines here. If boarding is quick, and there is no customs as it is in country, and you just carry on? You save time, and it's better than 20 to 50 people driving independantly. A plane can also fly straight too, so it can take even 1/3 of the time to get there. Which is why boarding slow downs are so sad.
    - jeromegv 4y ago
      OP likely meant that it is a very sad thing for the environment that we (as a society) privilege air travel instead of train travel for such a short distance and where there’s no need to cross a border. The train brings you in the middle of both city center, directly integrated with transit, you can show up about 10 min before your departure, etc. It’s just the actual rail that is the problem.
      - jhugo 4y ago
        If there's no train, though, the turboprop plane is going to be better for the environment than all those people driving.
        rglullis 4y ago
        And an intercity bus will beat them both, while also avoiding the issues of getting in and out of the airport and into the city center.
        jhugo 4y ago
        Mmm, maybe. Average occupancy of buses is usually only around 40%, which probably pushes them above the per-passenger emissions of a modern aircraft, and being typically diesels, they have other emissions than CO2 to worry about. On a personal note, I also hate bus travel with a passion — it's mind-numbingly slow, you have limited ability to move around, it's sometimes too cramped to work, when toilets are available they're tiny and awful, etc. I love train travel and will use trains whenever available, sometimes even for multi-day journeys, but I will take significant detours or even rearrange travel plans to avoid a bus.
- rglullis 4y ago
  Wait until you find out about this amazing invention called the train. You can take them at the city center, you stop at the city center, no waiting times, faster, safer and cheaper than driving... In all seriousness though, any country serious about climate change should ban short-haul flights.
  - zeagle 4y ago
    Agere, the train station location in most cities is more convenient than the aurport, although not as good as my experiences in Europe. If you want a good laugh of how to do it wrong, look up 'saskatoon train station' on maps.
  - frosted-flakes 4y ago
    The tracks to Ottawa and Montreal are getting updated. The problem is that Via only owns a small portion of the route and is at the mercies of freight traffic. The new dedicated tracks will solve this. Still not high speed though.
  - b112 4y ago
    Last time I took the train, it was more expensive than driving, and took longer too. And certainly far, far slower than a plane could be, with no hours of pre-flight waiting. More comfortable than a plane, with its cramped seating, for sure. Really, a prop plane is not horrible for the environment, especially compared to cars.
    - rglullis 4y ago
      If you live in an area with poor rail infrastructure, the solution is to improve it.
      - arpa 4y ago
        any fool can do it! brb, building a railway.
      - b112 4y ago
        Why? Yet before we get into that, you should realise what you've done. This whole thread was just about how sad these exessive delays are. Now I have no problem with diverging threads, my initial comment did just that! However, you're definitely talking about "where you think we should be" vs "right now". And right now, you're saying all short hop flights should be banned. Yet as many have indicated here, that is just not feasable in some cases. Even if you believe rail is always better (it isn't, not for all flights compared to all rail), you actually need rail before banning short hops. And as others have indicated, loads of people driving, instead of short prop plane hops, is worse than that plane ride by far! Is your goal to harm the environment? If not, then "just ban it" isn't sensible. You need to plan first. And really, just ban it means you support just banning all cars, the concept is the same, yet this is literally impossible for many, many reasons. For example, banning all cars would mean an end to rural livability, and a further exodus from rural Canada. Canada, whos crops and meat feed massive parts of the world. Are you planning to force people to farm? Make them stay, and work, if they are entirely isolated without cars? Of not that, then is your goal to cause world wars, and death, and destruction, and likely the release of tailored plagues, and nuclear weapons? Because in a world pf starvarion, the knives come out very fast and strong. Yet this is what wide sweeping car bans could mean, as it is already hard to keep farms manned, and profitable, without banning things from a city centric view. Would you also ban short hops for prop planes, from rural areas too? It would be a disaster to put trains everywhere. Literallly bad for the environment, to run a rail line for 50 people a day. A prop plane is far, far more energy efficient, than maintaining all that rail infrastructure for so few people, through hundreds of km of forest. Just the regular chainsaw usage alone, to prune back trees, makes it worse. What are you thinking?? Hurting the environment like this, suggesting policies which end in plague, nuclear war, death, destruction!! Think of the whole cost, or you may kill us all!!
kolinko 4y ago
Unless there was a crazy line that day to that single security spot and you had to jump the line or risk getting late for your plane. I flew through Tegel a dosen times and it was a horrible experience each time. Not sure which was worse - the old terminal, or the new barrack added on to the first one. Also, I've seen multiple airports that allowed you to be 20 min before boarding and still get through. On Warsaw Chopin, which is 2x bigger than Tagel, I can arrive 10 min before boarding and still make it on time. With most airports the size of Tagel as well. Having said all that - the architecture was nice indeed, and I'm sure it was very functional when it was built and there was 4x less traffic, planes were 30% smaller and the security was way lighter.
rsynnott 4y ago
It was… not great if you were coming from outside Schengen. I was there maybe three times, coming from Dublin; twice, only one of the passport desks was staffed (they also had the machines, but I never saw them in working order). Both times, of course, someone ahead of me in the queue had some problem, and it took an hour to get through passport control. Never seen this at any other airport. Schonefeld was better, though getting there involved taking Ryanair…
- m_fayer 4y ago
  Schönefeld definitely won the award for most disgusting airport bathrooms in western EU, and most kafka-esque narrow winding hallways that may or may not be taking you where you want to go.
  - rsynnott 4y ago
    See, normal-airport problems! It's annoying in a normal airport way; Tegel was annoying in exciting new unique ways. (Honestly, I expect Tegel was pretty good for Schengen traffic).
    - com 4y ago
      I loved Tegel - mostly used the parking structure-turned-into-terminal barracks thing though. Fast in and out, even with the X10 bus connection. The main terminal was weirdly narrow on airside, but from memory apart from having to stand to drink beer was just fine. I liked the currywurst carriage outside by departures if I was ever more than 30 minutes early for my flight. Schönefeld on the other hand … grr. I argue that that airport was exceptionally poor in a way I’ve never experienced outside of corporate airports used for industrial and mining facilities.
- Arn_Thor 4y ago
  It took me well over an hour to get through passport control in Paris CDG. And that was not even entering Schengen but leaving

by arez 4y ago

kolinko 4y ago

> Nowadays I have to arrive 3-4hrs before I flew through the new Berlin airport 2 times this week, and had no issues going through security and to the gates. That 3-4hrs in your case seems absurdly long - were there crazy lines at the checkin or sth?

b112 4y ago

Nowadays I have to arrive 3-4hrs before This is true many places, although I tend to show with a tighter timetable myself. But it's so absurd, so silly. It's actually faster to drive from Ottawa to Toronto(4 to 5 hr drive) than take a plane, and cheaper.. even with current fuel costs, too. What a way to ruin a mode of travel.

vanviegen 4y ago
To me it's absurd that flying such a short distance apparently was an attractive option (to some) until recently.
- bobthepanda 4y ago
  Usually, most small flights of that type are connections onward. It's usually good for passengers because all other things being equal the security procedures at smaller airports, the traffic etc. is a lot less bad.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    Trains still should be the alternative for these cases. The only exception I can think of where short-haul flights could be accepted is from small islands that need connection to a larger city inland.
- b112 4y ago
  It's about 450km, which is between 4 and 5 hours, traffic at each city depending.. A propeller plane shines here. If boarding is quick, and there is no customs as it is in country, and you just carry on? You save time, and it's better than 20 to 50 people driving independantly. A plane can also fly straight too, so it can take even 1/3 of the time to get there. Which is why boarding slow downs are so sad.
  - jeromegv 4y ago
    OP likely meant that it is a very sad thing for the environment that we (as a society) privilege air travel instead of train travel for such a short distance and where there’s no need to cross a border. The train brings you in the middle of both city center, directly integrated with transit, you can show up about 10 min before your departure, etc. It’s just the actual rail that is the problem.
    - jhugo 4y ago
      If there's no train, though, the turboprop plane is going to be better for the environment than all those people driving.
      - rglullis 4y ago
        And an intercity bus will beat them both, while also avoiding the issues of getting in and out of the airport and into the city center.
        jhugo 4y ago
        Mmm, maybe. Average occupancy of buses is usually only around 40%, which probably pushes them above the per-passenger emissions of a modern aircraft, and being typically diesels, they have other emissions than CO2 to worry about. On a personal note, I also hate bus travel with a passion — it's mind-numbingly slow, you have limited ability to move around, it's sometimes too cramped to work, when toilets are available they're tiny and awful, etc. I love train travel and will use trains whenever available, sometimes even for multi-day journeys, but I will take significant detours or even rearrange travel plans to avoid a bus.
rglullis 4y ago
Wait until you find out about this amazing invention called the train. You can take them at the city center, you stop at the city center, no waiting times, faster, safer and cheaper than driving... In all seriousness though, any country serious about climate change should ban short-haul flights.
- zeagle 4y ago
  Agere, the train station location in most cities is more convenient than the aurport, although not as good as my experiences in Europe. If you want a good laugh of how to do it wrong, look up 'saskatoon train station' on maps.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  The tracks to Ottawa and Montreal are getting updated. The problem is that Via only owns a small portion of the route and is at the mercies of freight traffic. The new dedicated tracks will solve this. Still not high speed though.
- b112 4y ago
  Last time I took the train, it was more expensive than driving, and took longer too. And certainly far, far slower than a plane could be, with no hours of pre-flight waiting. More comfortable than a plane, with its cramped seating, for sure. Really, a prop plane is not horrible for the environment, especially compared to cars.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    If you live in an area with poor rail infrastructure, the solution is to improve it.
    - arpa 4y ago
      any fool can do it! brb, building a railway.
    - b112 4y ago
      Why? Yet before we get into that, you should realise what you've done. This whole thread was just about how sad these exessive delays are. Now I have no problem with diverging threads, my initial comment did just that! However, you're definitely talking about "where you think we should be" vs "right now". And right now, you're saying all short hop flights should be banned. Yet as many have indicated here, that is just not feasable in some cases. Even if you believe rail is always better (it isn't, not for all flights compared to all rail), you actually need rail before banning short hops. And as others have indicated, loads of people driving, instead of short prop plane hops, is worse than that plane ride by far! Is your goal to harm the environment? If not, then "just ban it" isn't sensible. You need to plan first. And really, just ban it means you support just banning all cars, the concept is the same, yet this is literally impossible for many, many reasons. For example, banning all cars would mean an end to rural livability, and a further exodus from rural Canada. Canada, whos crops and meat feed massive parts of the world. Are you planning to force people to farm? Make them stay, and work, if they are entirely isolated without cars? Of not that, then is your goal to cause world wars, and death, and destruction, and likely the release of tailored plagues, and nuclear weapons? Because in a world pf starvarion, the knives come out very fast and strong. Yet this is what wide sweeping car bans could mean, as it is already hard to keep farms manned, and profitable, without banning things from a city centric view. Would you also ban short hops for prop planes, from rural areas too? It would be a disaster to put trains everywhere. Literallly bad for the environment, to run a rail line for 50 people a day. A prop plane is far, far more energy efficient, than maintaining all that rail infrastructure for so few people, through hundreds of km of forest. Just the regular chainsaw usage alone, to prune back trees, makes it worse. What are you thinking?? Hurting the environment like this, suggesting policies which end in plague, nuclear war, death, destruction!! Think of the whole cost, or you may kill us all!!

kolinko 4y ago

Unless there was a crazy line that day to that single security spot and you had to jump the line or risk getting late for your plane. I flew through Tegel a dosen times and it was a horrible experience each time. Not sure which was worse - the old terminal, or the new barrack added on to the first one. Also, I've seen multiple airports that allowed you to be 20 min before boarding and still get through. On Warsaw Chopin, which is 2x bigger than Tagel, I can arrive 10 min before boarding and still make it on time. With most airports the size of Tagel as well. Having said all that - the architecture was nice indeed, and I'm sure it was very functional when it was built and there was 4x less traffic, planes were 30% smaller and the security was way lighter.

rsynnott 4y ago

It was… not great if you were coming from outside Schengen. I was there maybe three times, coming from Dublin; twice, only one of the passport desks was staffed (they also had the machines, but I never saw them in working order). Both times, of course, someone ahead of me in the queue had some problem, and it took an hour to get through passport control. Never seen this at any other airport. Schonefeld was better, though getting there involved taking Ryanair…

m_fayer 4y ago
Schönefeld definitely won the award for most disgusting airport bathrooms in western EU, and most kafka-esque narrow winding hallways that may or may not be taking you where you want to go.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  See, normal-airport problems! It's annoying in a normal airport way; Tegel was annoying in exciting new unique ways. (Honestly, I expect Tegel was pretty good for Schengen traffic).
  - com 4y ago
    I loved Tegel - mostly used the parking structure-turned-into-terminal barracks thing though. Fast in and out, even with the X10 bus connection. The main terminal was weirdly narrow on airside, but from memory apart from having to stand to drink beer was just fine. I liked the currywurst carriage outside by departures if I was ever more than 30 minutes early for my flight. Schönefeld on the other hand … grr. I argue that that airport was exceptionally poor in a way I’ve never experienced outside of corporate airports used for industrial and mining facilities.
Arn_Thor 4y ago
It took me well over an hour to get through passport control in Paris CDG. And that was not even entering Schengen but leaving