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> We all know they’re coming after gay marriage next. Fortunately I think that will be harder to overturn, because it's on a less-shaky legal basis (as far as

> We all know they’re coming after gay marriage next. Fortunately I think that will be harder to overturn, because it's on a less-shaky legal basis (as far as I know) compared to Roe v Wade. Also I think that ship has more or less sailed and society has basically come to accept it. Abortion has always been a lot more contentious. > I never thought I’d have to use the term ‘Christian extremists’, but what they’re doing to basic human rights is disturbing. This has been decades in the making, the endgame of an intergenerational propaganda campaign. They were extremists in the 80s, in the 00s, and today. What's interesting now is that the "Christian" angle is de-emphasized, and what used to be considered Christian fundamentalism has worked its way into mainstream secular conservativism (not by accident). It is arguably a longstanding American political tradition to govern according to hypocritical authoritarian religious extremist principles, dating back to literally before the founding of the USA.

mjcohen 4y ago
The current supreme court does not care about legal basis. All it cares about is what they want. And then they make it so.
lostgame 4y ago
Thank you for a considerate, well-thought-out response. I know people are downvoting me because they’re from the USA and they’re likely not ready for the truth. They can choose to be ignorant. I can pretty much guarantee no woman I know would downvote that comment, it clearly comes from the place of male privilege that got us into this mess. I chose to open up as a sexually assaulted woman, if they want to say my comment isn’t the plain-clothed truth, too bad for them. They’ll see it eventually. I completely agree it’s always been a problem - dating back to the Crusades and Witch-burnings.. I also sadly have to agree that it’s getting worse the more and more these extremist Christian views have become what the Right wing just..is, now.
- Tainnor 4y ago
  There's this mindset that a significant part of HN readers subscribe to according to which emotions are bad in discourse and if you come out and say "I am personally affected by this, I am scared for my future and this is why", it's seen as a bad thing that doesn't satisfy "intellectual curiosity". That's a really ridiculous take on what it means to be a human being participating in political discourse, but there it is. I'm quite appalled at the fact that your original comment was temporarily dead. Of course, the same standard is somehow not applied when people are angry about mask mandates. Then it's apparently fine to be snarky, dismissive and outraged.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >They can choose to be ignorant. I can pretty much guarantee no woman I know would downvote that comment, it clearly comes from the place of male privilege that got us into this mess. As an American male, I'm pretty appalled by this too. If men could get pregnant, abortion would have been legal as soon as (probably before) such procedures were safe to do. Which turns my stomach. A lot. As I (and many folks I know) think, terminating a pregnancy is (or rather should be in the US) a personal, private decision to be made only by the pregnant person. In fact, as I stated previously here[0], if you don't have a functional female reproductive system, you need to shut the fuck up. And even if you do have one, if it's not you that's pregnant, you also need to shut the fuck up. It's not your business or concern. I'm mad as hell about this even though it won't affect me personally. But as you describe, it gives the lie to the idea that this is a society based in liberty. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27717240 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27717240

mjcohen 4y ago

The current supreme court does not care about legal basis. All it cares about is what they want. And then they make it so.

lostgame 4y ago

Thank you for a considerate, well-thought-out response. I know people are downvoting me because they’re from the USA and they’re likely not ready for the truth. They can choose to be ignorant. I can pretty much guarantee no woman I know would downvote that comment, it clearly comes from the place of male privilege that got us into this mess. I chose to open up as a sexually assaulted woman, if they want to say my comment isn’t the plain-clothed truth, too bad for them. They’ll see it eventually. I completely agree it’s always been a problem - dating back to the Crusades and Witch-burnings.. I also sadly have to agree that it’s getting worse the more and more these extremist Christian views have become what the Right wing just..is, now.

Tainnor 4y ago
There's this mindset that a significant part of HN readers subscribe to according to which emotions are bad in discourse and if you come out and say "I am personally affected by this, I am scared for my future and this is why", it's seen as a bad thing that doesn't satisfy "intellectual curiosity". That's a really ridiculous take on what it means to be a human being participating in political discourse, but there it is. I'm quite appalled at the fact that your original comment was temporarily dead. Of course, the same standard is somehow not applied when people are angry about mask mandates. Then it's apparently fine to be snarky, dismissive and outraged.
nobody9999 4y ago
>They can choose to be ignorant. I can pretty much guarantee no woman I know would downvote that comment, it clearly comes from the place of male privilege that got us into this mess. As an American male, I'm pretty appalled by this too. If men could get pregnant, abortion would have been legal as soon as (probably before) such procedures were safe to do. Which turns my stomach. A lot. As I (and many folks I know) think, terminating a pregnancy is (or rather should be in the US) a personal, private decision to be made only by the pregnant person. In fact, as I stated previously here[0], if you don't have a functional female reproductive system, you need to shut the fuck up. And even if you do have one, if it's not you that's pregnant, you also need to shut the fuck up. It's not your business or concern. I'm mad as hell about this even though it won't affect me personally. But as you describe, it gives the lie to the idea that this is a society based in liberty. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27717240 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27717240