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Incredible amount of negative comments. It takes more time to type all that negativity out than it takes to read about what Vite is and what it does. Frontend

by zmxz 4y ago

Incredible amount of negative comments. It takes more time to type all that negativity out than it takes to read about what Vite is and what it does. Frontend dev here. Vite is amazing. It doesn't take long to get what it does if you try it out (you can avoid reading about it that way). I won't bother summarizing what it does, the website literally covers it. Reading really became superpower in this day and age.

rco8786 4y ago
> to read about what Vite is and what it does. This is actually my main complaint. I read everything on the landing page and Getting Started page and still have literally zero idea what Vite does.
- martpie 4y ago
  Secondary call-to-action is literally "Learn more" [0] and explains in details all the problems it solves [0] https://vitejs.dev/guide/why https://vitejs.dev/guide/why
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - rco8786 4y ago
    That’s an essay.
weejewel 4y ago
Writing an objective, clear landing page seems to be a superpower as well.
- zmxz 4y ago
  You can complain all you like, but in the end it's you who has to read and understand the text written on the landing page. No one can do it for you.
systemvoltage 4y ago
> It takes more time to type all that negativity Well, good criticism is not negativity, but I'd argue it is positivity.
- mikewhy 4y ago
  I'm not seeing a lot of "good criticisms" here. Just the typical HN curmudgeons complaining about things that were introduced half a decade ago being too new.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    That seems pretty new actually.
- esperent 4y ago
  I came to this discussion because I wanted good criticism of ViteJS . I genuinely wanted to see it picked apart by experts because I have been thinking about trying it for a while now. Instead, I'm about 100 comments down and so far all I can see is endless repetition of the same nitpicking complaint that the landing page is not good. The landing page! If you use this tool you'll spend about 5 minutes on the landing page and potentially hundreds or thousands of hours in the code, API, and docs. So who cares about the damn landing page? I want discussion of the actual tool, that's what I come to HN for. There doesn't appear to be much of that happening here, unfortunately. If there was a single comment thread somewhere criticizing the landing page that would be fine, it's a valid complaint. But if pretty much all the top comments are exclusively doing that, or pointing out how pointless a criticism that is (like this one) then this discussion is a failure. EDIT: scrolling further down I appear to have hit the "oh no frontend dev is so complicated, poor me" section of the discussion. I'm gonna keep digging, wish me luck!
- zmxz 4y ago
  There was no criticism of the tool itself, but how landing page is not instantly clear to developers who are not even frontend-related devs. What's positive about that? A complaint with proposed action is what can be considered positive, but most complaints here were "I am not frontend dev, I clicked the link, I don't understand anything. They need to telepathically understand what I want and make the page that's to my liking". It's just pseudointellectuals trying to pose as experts in a field they're not even working in. And here we are, a bunch of bottom feeders arguing over a landing page in year 2022. Oh, how entitled have we become. This situation is absolutely disgusting and not positive.
runarberg 4y ago
I agree. Vite is amazing. And most of the comments here seem to be same old complaints we’ve heard and debunked over and over about the state of frontend dev tools. I do wonder if other industries act like this to their specialties. E.g. do carpenters complain about the tools that boat builders use? Do butchers complain about bakers having to many tools. Do cobblers complain about marketing materials for tools used exclusively by dress-makers? I doubt it. Most front end devs I talk to don’t complain about the things commenters here are talking about. Most of us—that I know of—are happy with the tools we use, are fine with the evolving landscape, and are able to read through marketing materials of most of the tools we are picking. Honestly, if you are not a front end developer, why do you care about this?
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  Insecure non-frontend devs continue to see frontend as an easy programming environment, and therefore assume the problems in it should instantly make sense to them and be easily solvable. Because after all it’s easy, and they’re smart, and if they were a frontend dev, they wouldn’t even need this tooling because it’s so much easier to start from first principles of an index.html page. It’s funny because I’m a frontend dev and I can do the job of a backend dev better than most backend devs. Yet I don’t go into every thread about Python and complain about what a horrible experience it is to install and manage.
  - etherealG 4y ago
    All because frontend started with “html” + interactive toy “scripting” for fun animation. It’s like they all forgot about Turing completeness. Programming is programming. Love your comment :)

by zmxz 4y ago

rco8786 4y ago

> to read about what Vite is and what it does. This is actually my main complaint. I read everything on the landing page and Getting Started page and still have literally zero idea what Vite does.

martpie 4y ago
Secondary call-to-action is literally "Learn more" [0] and explains in details all the problems it solves [0] https://vitejs.dev/guide/why https://vitejs.dev/guide/why
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- rco8786 4y ago
  That’s an essay.

weejewel 4y ago

Writing an objective, clear landing page seems to be a superpower as well.

zmxz 4y ago
You can complain all you like, but in the end it's you who has to read and understand the text written on the landing page. No one can do it for you.

systemvoltage 4y ago

> It takes more time to type all that negativity Well, good criticism is not negativity, but I'd argue it is positivity.

mikewhy 4y ago
I'm not seeing a lot of "good criticisms" here. Just the typical HN curmudgeons complaining about things that were introduced half a decade ago being too new.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  That seems pretty new actually.
esperent 4y ago
I came to this discussion because I wanted good criticism of ViteJS . I genuinely wanted to see it picked apart by experts because I have been thinking about trying it for a while now. Instead, I'm about 100 comments down and so far all I can see is endless repetition of the same nitpicking complaint that the landing page is not good. The landing page! If you use this tool you'll spend about 5 minutes on the landing page and potentially hundreds or thousands of hours in the code, API, and docs. So who cares about the damn landing page? I want discussion of the actual tool, that's what I come to HN for. There doesn't appear to be much of that happening here, unfortunately. If there was a single comment thread somewhere criticizing the landing page that would be fine, it's a valid complaint. But if pretty much all the top comments are exclusively doing that, or pointing out how pointless a criticism that is (like this one) then this discussion is a failure. EDIT: scrolling further down I appear to have hit the "oh no frontend dev is so complicated, poor me" section of the discussion. I'm gonna keep digging, wish me luck!
zmxz 4y ago
There was no criticism of the tool itself, but how landing page is not instantly clear to developers who are not even frontend-related devs. What's positive about that? A complaint with proposed action is what can be considered positive, but most complaints here were "I am not frontend dev, I clicked the link, I don't understand anything. They need to telepathically understand what I want and make the page that's to my liking". It's just pseudointellectuals trying to pose as experts in a field they're not even working in. And here we are, a bunch of bottom feeders arguing over a landing page in year 2022. Oh, how entitled have we become. This situation is absolutely disgusting and not positive.

runarberg 4y ago

I agree. Vite is amazing. And most of the comments here seem to be same old complaints we’ve heard and debunked over and over about the state of frontend dev tools. I do wonder if other industries act like this to their specialties. E.g. do carpenters complain about the tools that boat builders use? Do butchers complain about bakers having to many tools. Do cobblers complain about marketing materials for tools used exclusively by dress-makers? I doubt it. Most front end devs I talk to don’t complain about the things commenters here are talking about. Most of us—that I know of—are happy with the tools we use, are fine with the evolving landscape, and are able to read through marketing materials of most of the tools we are picking. Honestly, if you are not a front end developer, why do you care about this?

TechBro8615 4y ago
Insecure non-frontend devs continue to see frontend as an easy programming environment, and therefore assume the problems in it should instantly make sense to them and be easily solvable. Because after all it’s easy, and they’re smart, and if they were a frontend dev, they wouldn’t even need this tooling because it’s so much easier to start from first principles of an index.html page. It’s funny because I’m a frontend dev and I can do the job of a backend dev better than most backend devs. Yet I don’t go into every thread about Python and complain about what a horrible experience it is to install and manage.
- etherealG 4y ago
  All because frontend started with “html” + interactive toy “scripting” for fun animation. It’s like they all forgot about Turing completeness. Programming is programming. Love your comment :)