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He later also published a fifteen minute rant video full of loaded language. Where he said paraphrasing "He'd rather die then deleting this tweet" and how the l

He later also published a fifteen minute rant video full of loaded language. Where he said paraphrasing "He'd rather die then deleting this tweet" and how the left is oppressive because he can not present his views on Twitter because he won't call Elliotts ( previously Ellens ) breasts which were reduced in size to conform to Elliots body image "his breast" instead he wants to call them "her breasts" and that is the reason why JBP has to on purpose call Elliot she. The tweet also called a doctor a criminal for doing that operation. The fact that also males do get breast reduction surgeries (after recovering from being overweight or after recovering from body building) seems to be completely lost on JBP. So he acts like there was a cosmic slight against truth with Elliot confirming his large breasts to a more normal male size. He goes through great length to make the situation seem as complicated as possible by constantly naming former and current name, as well as any pronoun in every sentence. It is not complicated. You accommodate a person who transitioned as soon as you became aware from a source you trust that speaks for them that they transitioned. (Trans people speak for themselves, do not assume they are possessed by some ideology or demon.) You treat it as any other name change like on that might happen after a divorce. You refer to past achievements with the new name but there is no urgent need to change every old document. It is not hateful if you missgender people if you are getting used to concept. No gender police will come and put you in prison. If someone insists on dead naming a trans person it probably is hateful. While there is no objective standard to tell that apart, people kinda know as they know when you spite someone for other reasons. It is ok to ask but expect that they might be exhausted from explaining so try to do your own research first and react to to their feedback if they tell you you are doing anything wrong. You are two people and you can work that out. Also try to make their life simpler in ways which cost you almost nothing, they sure are going through a lot. If you'd ask people who go out of their way to harm trans people you work with, ask them not to.

mgh2 4y ago
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfKWQqvFac&ab_channel=JordanBPeterson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfKWQqvFac&ab_channel=Jorda...
UncleMeat 4y ago
Ever since JP came on the scene for lying about Canadian policy, people have insisted that it was actually about freedom and that he isn’t actually transphobic. Every single time he spreads some transphobic garbage people say that he doesn’t actually hold transphobic beliefs. But when he can no longer get hard by thinking about Elliot Page it is now a crime to provide medical care for somebody.
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freemint 4y ago
@iconjack Here is your reply: I never aimed to give a reason for that. But since you asked so nicely let me explain to you from first principle: Twitter is maintaining a social networking website. A space where anger and other emotions easily are amplified. Since we decided as a society to leave the control of this place to for-profit companies and not as a kind of public utility those companies are allowed to process use us with the same standard other companies are allowed to process their clients. While Twitter can discontinue service for arbitrary reasons it choose to do so in this case because a prominent person reported about their happiness with a medical proceagus was purposefully called a name and pronoun to invalidate Elliotts (and others) identity. While doubting someone's identity is not always harassment or hateful in this case this judgement seems sensible to me. Telling a stranger "You are not a chess player" without further context is not hateful. Repeatedly telling someone "You are not a chess player" can be harassment (if and only if the person doesn't want to be called that). But how do we deal with the case where a group of people coordinate and tell someone "You are not chess player" once each? It gets murky. It is harassment but hard to proof. However we as society have agreed that if a person called someone "You are not a chess player because you are a women" that this is harassment . You could justify that by showing a group exists which acts coordinated and tells female chess players that "You are not a chess player" and that the persons who say that act as part of that group. As society we agreed that calling trans people by their old identity repeatedly is a thing they do not want (unless specified by them otherwise) and is therefore harassment. Here i apply the argument that there is a group of people coordinated by common media consumption that calls trans people by their old gender. That JBP acts as part of that group can be established through multiple means such as past conduct however the additional claim that the elective operation a doctor performed on Elliot is illegal shows to me that he acting as part of such a group. I hope that I have convincingly established that JBPs message was harassing. In addition JBPs actions give strong reason why one might think he has an intense dislike for trans people and is acting motivated by hate. We've established that JBP acted hatefully, harassing another person for their gender and gender identity. This is an action banned on Twitter's terms of service. I hope you learned something from this.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  >As society we agreed that calling trans people by their old identity repeatedly is a thing they do not want (unless specified by them otherwise) and is therefore harassment. Society has not agreed to this, which is why this is such a controversial issue. Also, just doing something somebody doesn't like is not harassment. I'm sure Peterson isn't a fan of being called a bigot and everything else he is called every day on Twitter. Should that count as harassment? People have an "intense dislike" towards him. People who say mean things to him often times are "acting motivated by hate".

mgh2 4y ago

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfKWQqvFac&ab_channel=JordanBPeterson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfKWQqvFac&ab_channel=Jorda...

UncleMeat 4y ago

Ever since JP came on the scene for lying about Canadian policy, people have insisted that it was actually about freedom and that he isn’t actually transphobic. Every single time he spreads some transphobic garbage people say that he doesn’t actually hold transphobic beliefs. But when he can no longer get hard by thinking about Elliot Page it is now a crime to provide medical care for somebody.

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freemint 4y ago

@iconjack Here is your reply: I never aimed to give a reason for that. But since you asked so nicely let me explain to you from first principle: Twitter is maintaining a social networking website. A space where anger and other emotions easily are amplified. Since we decided as a society to leave the control of this place to for-profit companies and not as a kind of public utility those companies are allowed to process use us with the same standard other companies are allowed to process their clients. While Twitter can discontinue service for arbitrary reasons it choose to do so in this case because a prominent person reported about their happiness with a medical proceagus was purposefully called a name and pronoun to invalidate Elliotts (and others) identity. While doubting someone's identity is not always harassment or hateful in this case this judgement seems sensible to me. Telling a stranger "You are not a chess player" without further context is not hateful. Repeatedly telling someone "You are not a chess player" can be harassment (if and only if the person doesn't want to be called that). But how do we deal with the case where a group of people coordinate and tell someone "You are not chess player" once each? It gets murky. It is harassment but hard to proof. However we as society have agreed that if a person called someone "You are not a chess player because you are a women" that this is harassment . You could justify that by showing a group exists which acts coordinated and tells female chess players that "You are not a chess player" and that the persons who say that act as part of that group. As society we agreed that calling trans people by their old identity repeatedly is a thing they do not want (unless specified by them otherwise) and is therefore harassment. Here i apply the argument that there is a group of people coordinated by common media consumption that calls trans people by their old gender. That JBP acts as part of that group can be established through multiple means such as past conduct however the additional claim that the elective operation a doctor performed on Elliot is illegal shows to me that he acting as part of such a group. I hope that I have convincingly established that JBPs message was harassing. In addition JBPs actions give strong reason why one might think he has an intense dislike for trans people and is acting motivated by hate. We've established that JBP acted hatefully, harassing another person for their gender and gender identity. This is an action banned on Twitter's terms of service. I hope you learned something from this.

_-david-_ 4y ago
>As society we agreed that calling trans people by their old identity repeatedly is a thing they do not want (unless specified by them otherwise) and is therefore harassment. Society has not agreed to this, which is why this is such a controversial issue. Also, just doing something somebody doesn't like is not harassment. I'm sure Peterson isn't a fan of being called a bigot and everything else he is called every day on Twitter. Should that count as harassment? People have an "intense dislike" towards him. People who say mean things to him often times are "acting motivated by hate".