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Jordan Peterson Suspended from Twitter

21 points by mgh2 4y ago

slater 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agELcTCN2Rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agELcTCN2Rw
zach_garwood 4y ago
> “If I can’t be let back on because I won’t apologize, I could care less.” And yet, here you are complaining about it to the media. Seems like you might actually care a little. Methinks the "intellectual dark web" doth protest too much.
- FooBarBizBazz 4y ago
  Well, he is saying that he cares about it. Accidentally, by mangling an idiom, but still. I think David Mitchell has a thing about this? https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
  - LinuxBender 4y ago
    I love David Mitchell's rants. My favorite is his rant on tax avoidance. [1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2q-Csk-ktc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2q-Csk-ktc
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    I think Weird Al did it well https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?t=67 https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?t=67
- ksec 4y ago
  Off topic: "I could care less.” I was under the impression only Americans use that phase, and others like Brits and Canadians would use I couldn't care less.
  - zach_garwood 4y ago
    Just like "irregardless" and "all intensive purposes", I've heard/read it so many times it doesn't even register anymore.
mgh2 4y ago
More here: https://nypost.com/2022/06/30/twitter-suspends-jordan-peterson-for-elliot-page-sin-tweet/ https://nypost.com/2022/06/30/twitter-suspends-jordan-peters...
freemint 4y ago
He later also published a fifteen minute rant video full of loaded language. Where he said paraphrasing "He'd rather die then deleting this tweet" and how the left is oppressive because he can not present his views on Twitter because he won't call Elliotts ( previously Ellens ) breasts which were reduced in size to conform to Elliots body image "his breast" instead he wants to call them "her breasts" and that is the reason why JBP has to on purpose call Elliot she. The tweet also called a doctor a criminal for doing that operation. The fact that also males do get breast reduction surgeries (after recovering from being overweight or after recovering from body building) seems to be completely lost on JBP. So he acts like there was a cosmic slight against truth with Elliot confirming his large breasts to a more normal male size. He goes through great length to make the situation seem as complicated as possible by constantly naming former and current name, as well as any pronoun in every sentence. It is not complicated. You accommodate a person who transitioned as soon as you became aware from a source you trust that speaks for them that they transitioned. (Trans people speak for themselves, do not assume they are possessed by some ideology or demon.) You treat it as any other name change like on that might happen after a divorce. You refer to past achievements with the new name but there is no urgent need to change every old document. It is not hateful if you missgender people if you are getting used to concept. No gender police will come and put you in prison. If someone insists on dead naming a trans person it probably is hateful. While there is no objective standard to tell that apart, people kinda know as they know when you spite someone for other reasons. It is ok to ask but expect that they might be exhausted from explaining so try to do your own research first and react to to their feedback if they tell you you are doing anything wrong. You are two people and you can work that out. Also try to make their life simpler in ways which cost you almost nothing, they sure are going through a lot. If you'd ask people who go out of their way to harm trans people you work with, ask them not to.
- mgh2 4y ago
  Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfKWQqvFac&ab_channel=JordanBPeterson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfKWQqvFac&ab_channel=Jorda...
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Ever since JP came on the scene for lying about Canadian policy, people have insisted that it was actually about freedom and that he isn’t actually transphobic. Every single time he spreads some transphobic garbage people say that he doesn’t actually hold transphobic beliefs. But when he can no longer get hard by thinking about Elliot Page it is now a crime to provide medical care for somebody.
Barrera 4y ago
> On June 28, the controversial author, clinical psychologist and professor emeritus at the University of Toronto lost access to most of his Twitter account features because of a tweet he posted earlier in the week that used transgender actor Elliot Page’s former name and suggested he had his “breasts removed by a criminal physician.” Then later: > According to Twitter’s hateful conduct policy, users may not “promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.” It's quite a stretch to equate using someone's given name and alleging criminal activity with promoting "violence" or "directly attacking" or "threatening" someone. Twitter is being arbitrary, as is their right.
- fsociety 4y ago
  It is adding gasoline to the fire of extremist right-wingers threatening to harm transgender individuals and others actually doing this. Not to mention that Jordan can be one of many gateways for people to get into this mentality. He should be aware of his influence and acting in a more ethical manner.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    Using the wrong (or correct depending on your view) pronouns is not harming anybody. You are adding gasoline to this debate by comparing saying things somebody disagrees with and actual harm.
    - whydoibother 4y ago
- verdverm 4y ago
  Misgendering or dead naming someone is one of Twitter's policy violations. You can see it as an option in the tweet reporting form.
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josephcsible 4y ago
What's the difference between this censorship and Facebook deleting posts about abortion pills? If nothing, then why are so many people okay with the former but upset about the latter?
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Deleting posts and ads regarding abortion pills is probably the right choice since mailing abortion pills is illegal (18 U.S. Code § 1461). Facebook likely does not want to be accused of facilitating a crime.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    That makes sense for why people would be upset about this censorship and okay with Facebook deleting posts about abortion pills, but not the other way around, which is what I was asking about.
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      I should have been more clear. I was trying to add context as to why Facebook deleted certain abortion related posts / ads.

21 points by mgh2 4y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agELcTCN2Rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agELcTCN2Rw

> “If I can’t be let back on because I won’t apologize, I could care less.” And yet, here you are complaining about it to the media. Seems like you might actually care a little. Methinks the "intellectual dark web" doth protest too much.

FooBarBizBazz 4y ago
Well, he is saying that he cares about it. Accidentally, by mangling an idiom, but still. I think David Mitchell has a thing about this? https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
- LinuxBender 4y ago
  I love David Mitchell's rants. My favorite is his rant on tax avoidance. [1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2q-Csk-ktc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2q-Csk-ktc
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  I think Weird Al did it well https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?t=67 https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?t=67
ksec 4y ago
Off topic: "I could care less.” I was under the impression only Americans use that phase, and others like Brits and Canadians would use I couldn't care less.
- zach_garwood 4y ago
  Just like "irregardless" and "all intensive purposes", I've heard/read it so many times it doesn't even register anymore.

mgh2 4y ago

More here: https://nypost.com/2022/06/30/twitter-suspends-jordan-peterson-for-elliot-page-sin-tweet/ https://nypost.com/2022/06/30/twitter-suspends-jordan-peters...

freemint 4y ago

He later also published a fifteen minute rant video full of loaded language. Where he said paraphrasing "He'd rather die then deleting this tweet" and how the left is oppressive because he can not present his views on Twitter because he won't call Elliotts ( previously Ellens ) breasts which were reduced in size to conform to Elliots body image "his breast" instead he wants to call them "her breasts" and that is the reason why JBP has to on purpose call Elliot she. The tweet also called a doctor a criminal for doing that operation. The fact that also males do get breast reduction surgeries (after recovering from being overweight or after recovering from body building) seems to be completely lost on JBP. So he acts like there was a cosmic slight against truth with Elliot confirming his large breasts to a more normal male size. He goes through great length to make the situation seem as complicated as possible by constantly naming former and current name, as well as any pronoun in every sentence. It is not complicated. You accommodate a person who transitioned as soon as you became aware from a source you trust that speaks for them that they transitioned. (Trans people speak for themselves, do not assume they are possessed by some ideology or demon.) You treat it as any other name change like on that might happen after a divorce. You refer to past achievements with the new name but there is no urgent need to change every old document. It is not hateful if you missgender people if you are getting used to concept. No gender police will come and put you in prison. If someone insists on dead naming a trans person it probably is hateful. While there is no objective standard to tell that apart, people kinda know as they know when you spite someone for other reasons. It is ok to ask but expect that they might be exhausted from explaining so try to do your own research first and react to to their feedback if they tell you you are doing anything wrong. You are two people and you can work that out. Also try to make their life simpler in ways which cost you almost nothing, they sure are going through a lot. If you'd ask people who go out of their way to harm trans people you work with, ask them not to.

mgh2 4y ago
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfKWQqvFac&ab_channel=JordanBPeterson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfKWQqvFac&ab_channel=Jorda...
UncleMeat 4y ago
Ever since JP came on the scene for lying about Canadian policy, people have insisted that it was actually about freedom and that he isn’t actually transphobic. Every single time he spreads some transphobic garbage people say that he doesn’t actually hold transphobic beliefs. But when he can no longer get hard by thinking about Elliot Page it is now a crime to provide medical care for somebody.

Barrera 4y ago

> On June 28, the controversial author, clinical psychologist and professor emeritus at the University of Toronto lost access to most of his Twitter account features because of a tweet he posted earlier in the week that used transgender actor Elliot Page’s former name and suggested he had his “breasts removed by a criminal physician.” Then later: > According to Twitter’s hateful conduct policy, users may not “promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.” It's quite a stretch to equate using someone's given name and alleging criminal activity with promoting "violence" or "directly attacking" or "threatening" someone. Twitter is being arbitrary, as is their right.

fsociety 4y ago
It is adding gasoline to the fire of extremist right-wingers threatening to harm transgender individuals and others actually doing this. Not to mention that Jordan can be one of many gateways for people to get into this mentality. He should be aware of his influence and acting in a more ethical manner.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Using the wrong (or correct depending on your view) pronouns is not harming anybody. You are adding gasoline to this debate by comparing saying things somebody disagrees with and actual harm.
  - whydoibother 4y ago
verdverm 4y ago
Misgendering or dead naming someone is one of Twitter's policy violations. You can see it as an option in the tweet reporting form.

deleted 4y ago

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josephcsible 4y ago

What's the difference between this censorship and Facebook deleting posts about abortion pills? If nothing, then why are so many people okay with the former but upset about the latter?

_-david-_ 4y ago
Deleting posts and ads regarding abortion pills is probably the right choice since mailing abortion pills is illegal (18 U.S. Code § 1461). Facebook likely does not want to be accused of facilitating a crime.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  That makes sense for why people would be upset about this censorship and okay with Facebook deleting posts about abortion pills, but not the other way around, which is what I was asking about.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    I should have been more clear. I was trying to add context as to why Facebook deleted certain abortion related posts / ads.