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I think they're referring to iOS specifically, which doesn't support the latter.

EGreg 4y ago
Pretty soon it will support native notifications, which will be far more serious than the home screen icons. Home screen and bookmarks are for pull Notifications are for push What the OS or browser needs to do is manage those far better so it’s working on your behalf (user agent) and safeguarding your attention. Probably notifications should cost something, in fact an auction. Why don’t people earn currency for their attention? It’s a zero-sum game with publishers paying for users’ attention as an investment. Isn’t that what BAT aas supposed to be? Did it work? Click fraud is an issue but then the publishers would require someone like Apple and Google to make available webauthn attestation (web credentials) that this was a real device that was purchsed!
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > Probably notifications should cost something, in fact an auction. Why don’t people earn currency for their attention? Ah yes, genius! And then just like Brave, Apple/Google can take 30% of the revenue from selling your attention, and then continue to print money like nobodies business! I kid (even though people will try to defend that business model), the real solution is just having well-engineered notification settings. iOS' notifications are years behind the curve, on Android I can stop an app from sending me notifications simply by long-pressing the notification. iOS makes this process substantially harder, so you're right that it would probably turn into a predatory feature. Again though, we should be encouraging Apple to do the right thing here, not rev up their money printers again.
  - EGreg 4y ago
    Well, I personally am against closed centralized platforms (app stores, Big Tech platforms) and centralized monetization (patreon, deplatforming). I think Web3,4,5 has a lot of promise to disrupt the gatekeepers, who currently can control our transactiosn and even influence our democracies. This will become even more significant as the next generation will be immersed for hours a day in VR, XR, metaverse with glasses followed by neuralink. I don’t want corporations extracting rents like you described here and managing us like the Borg. But somehow, so many people on HN believe (much like Bitcoin maxis but with Web2) that no new decentralized technology can be good enough to actually adopt or get involved with, they downvote and bury everything that even slightly innovates in this area. Even stuff like FileCoin and MaidSAFE are derided. Watch, here is totally free open source code that took us half a million dollars to produce and people can fork and build on, but if I post the link what will happen: https://intercoin.org/applications https://intercoin.org/applications And here is a detailed write-up of what it would be like to own your OWN server and charge people for your attention in your OWN currency: https://qbix.com/ecosystem https://qbix.com/ecosystem … feel free to build upon it. I just coined a word for people who knee-jerk downvote anything on HN that gets away from centralized gatekeepers or uses blockchain: Web2 maximalists
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      > Well, I personally am against closed centralized platforms (app stores, Big Tech platforms) and centralized monetization (patreon, deplatforming). I agree. Many people on HN are against this as well, even if the entrepreneurs and VCs of the world might not see eye-to-eye. > I think Web3,4,5 has a lot of promise to disrupt the gatekeepers, who currently can control our transactiosn and even influence our democracies. No, I don't really think so. Cryptocurrency's impact on the economic landscape has already been made, the people who would benefit from it's model (criminals, scammers) have been using it to great success thus far. Without a centralized governance model, every single truly "decentralized" blockchain is forced to accommodate bad actors alongside legitimate ones, with no path of recourse in the event of fraud/failure/mistakes/redactions/etc. It sure sounds like a great concept to libertarians or jaded tech enthusiasts, but the average person has no reason to use cryptocurrency. There's no transaction they make in their daily life that would benefit from being on the blockchain. That's just a fact of life, and it's why you can advocate for it until the sun sets but ultimately, nobody will care. I love append-only ledgers and the original implementation of a blockchain is really visionary with relation to distributed computing and heterogeneous data structures. As it stands today though, Web3 and whatever the hell Web4 and Web5 are, is populated with scammers. Solana is a scam. Opensea is a scam. Tether, Terra and Luna were all also scams. > But somehow, so many people on HN believe (much like Bitcoin maxis but with Web2) that no new decentralized technology can be good enough to actually adopt or get involved with Hah, how soon developers forget the sins of the father. Remember Soulseek? Remember Torrents? There was a period of time when everyone thought P2P filesharing was the future, and that our world of server-hosting and F2P CDNs were all going down. Viva la revolución! Oh, but what do people think when they hear the word "torrent" now? Certainly, most people don't immediately think "P2P filesharing protocol", but rather "there's a 99% chance this magnet file contains pirated content". NFTs, Web3 and the Blockchain are already headed down that path, with 3x the negative press coverage of Bittorrent/The Pirate Bay. The finance revolution is over, the preeminent powers of banking proved to the world that cryptocurrency is a fraud, and they didn't even need to lift a finger to do it. How quaint. > Even stuff like FileCoin and MaidSAFE are derided. I want my files stored on Amazon's datacenters, thank you. With AWS storage, I can comply with modern security regulations and know where my data is at all times. If I upload content with FileCoin or similar mumbo-jumbo, my legitimate business data could end up being stored on the same server where criminals store stolen credit cards. No thanks. > Watch, here is totally free open source code that took us half a million dollars to produce and people can fork and build on, but if I post the link what will happen Are you... mad that people don't care about cryptocurrency? I mean, hey, if you really think crypto is going to explode, then feel free to bet everything on it. But look around you, get a feel for the real-world scale of finance that's going on right now. Cryptocurrency, NFTs and Web3 are at the bottom of the feeding chain, and they're doing absolutely nothing to change that. You keep asking people to build on other people's projects and "feel free" to contribute, but I think it's time to admit defeat. Nobody is going to do these people's work for them. No developer is going to build on an API that's actively scamming them unless it's named Google or Apple. If you feel frustrated that both the public and developers don't care about cryptocurrency, then why are you willing to bet the farm on it? > And here is a detailed write-up of what it would be like to own your OWN server and charge people for your attention in your OWN currency: https://qbix.com/ecosystem https://qbix.com/ecosystem … feel free to build upon it. I don't want to. I disagree with the way Qbix is designed, and I reckon any developer who reads the words "centralized node" will also nope the fuck out of there. > I just coined a word for people who knee-jerk downvote anything on HN that gets away from centralized gatekeepers or uses blockchain: Web2 maximalists I like it, it really sounds like a label I could be proud of. If you're a visitor on my Web2 maximalist website, you can be assured that your current browser will Just Work to find my site. As a Web2 maximalist, I also won't be offering any places for you to spend your hard-earned money. That's for you to keep. I won't be promoting any get-rich-quick schemes, I won't create complicated ownership diagrams, I'll simply deliver my HTML and CSS to you via your ISP. There's no opportunity for me to scam you, because I'm not hiding anything. My Web2 ideology is transparent, the only data that I get from you is what you willingly offer. Your visit to my website doesn't show up on any ledger. Sound like utopia? There's still plenty of time left to enjoy Web2, folks.

Pretty soon it will support native notifications, which will be far more serious than the home screen icons. Home screen and bookmarks are for pull Notifications are for push What the OS or browser needs to do is manage those far better so it’s working on your behalf (user agent) and safeguarding your attention. Probably notifications should cost something, in fact an auction. Why don’t people earn currency for their attention? It’s a zero-sum game with publishers paying for users’ attention as an investment. Isn’t that what BAT aas supposed to be? Did it work? Click fraud is an issue but then the publishers would require someone like Apple and Google to make available webauthn attestation (web credentials) that this was a real device that was purchsed!

smoldesu 4y ago
> Probably notifications should cost something, in fact an auction. Why don’t people earn currency for their attention? Ah yes, genius! And then just like Brave, Apple/Google can take 30% of the revenue from selling your attention, and then continue to print money like nobodies business! I kid (even though people will try to defend that business model), the real solution is just having well-engineered notification settings. iOS' notifications are years behind the curve, on Android I can stop an app from sending me notifications simply by long-pressing the notification. iOS makes this process substantially harder, so you're right that it would probably turn into a predatory feature. Again though, we should be encouraging Apple to do the right thing here, not rev up their money printers again.
- EGreg 4y ago
  Well, I personally am against closed centralized platforms (app stores, Big Tech platforms) and centralized monetization (patreon, deplatforming). I think Web3,4,5 has a lot of promise to disrupt the gatekeepers, who currently can control our transactiosn and even influence our democracies. This will become even more significant as the next generation will be immersed for hours a day in VR, XR, metaverse with glasses followed by neuralink. I don’t want corporations extracting rents like you described here and managing us like the Borg. But somehow, so many people on HN believe (much like Bitcoin maxis but with Web2) that no new decentralized technology can be good enough to actually adopt or get involved with, they downvote and bury everything that even slightly innovates in this area. Even stuff like FileCoin and MaidSAFE are derided. Watch, here is totally free open source code that took us half a million dollars to produce and people can fork and build on, but if I post the link what will happen: https://intercoin.org/applications https://intercoin.org/applications And here is a detailed write-up of what it would be like to own your OWN server and charge people for your attention in your OWN currency: https://qbix.com/ecosystem https://qbix.com/ecosystem … feel free to build upon it. I just coined a word for people who knee-jerk downvote anything on HN that gets away from centralized gatekeepers or uses blockchain: Web2 maximalists
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    > Well, I personally am against closed centralized platforms (app stores, Big Tech platforms) and centralized monetization (patreon, deplatforming). I agree. Many people on HN are against this as well, even if the entrepreneurs and VCs of the world might not see eye-to-eye. > I think Web3,4,5 has a lot of promise to disrupt the gatekeepers, who currently can control our transactiosn and even influence our democracies. No, I don't really think so. Cryptocurrency's impact on the economic landscape has already been made, the people who would benefit from it's model (criminals, scammers) have been using it to great success thus far. Without a centralized governance model, every single truly "decentralized" blockchain is forced to accommodate bad actors alongside legitimate ones, with no path of recourse in the event of fraud/failure/mistakes/redactions/etc. It sure sounds like a great concept to libertarians or jaded tech enthusiasts, but the average person has no reason to use cryptocurrency. There's no transaction they make in their daily life that would benefit from being on the blockchain. That's just a fact of life, and it's why you can advocate for it until the sun sets but ultimately, nobody will care. I love append-only ledgers and the original implementation of a blockchain is really visionary with relation to distributed computing and heterogeneous data structures. As it stands today though, Web3 and whatever the hell Web4 and Web5 are, is populated with scammers. Solana is a scam. Opensea is a scam. Tether, Terra and Luna were all also scams. > But somehow, so many people on HN believe (much like Bitcoin maxis but with Web2) that no new decentralized technology can be good enough to actually adopt or get involved with Hah, how soon developers forget the sins of the father. Remember Soulseek? Remember Torrents? There was a period of time when everyone thought P2P filesharing was the future, and that our world of server-hosting and F2P CDNs were all going down. Viva la revolución! Oh, but what do people think when they hear the word "torrent" now? Certainly, most people don't immediately think "P2P filesharing protocol", but rather "there's a 99% chance this magnet file contains pirated content". NFTs, Web3 and the Blockchain are already headed down that path, with 3x the negative press coverage of Bittorrent/The Pirate Bay. The finance revolution is over, the preeminent powers of banking proved to the world that cryptocurrency is a fraud, and they didn't even need to lift a finger to do it. How quaint. > Even stuff like FileCoin and MaidSAFE are derided. I want my files stored on Amazon's datacenters, thank you. With AWS storage, I can comply with modern security regulations and know where my data is at all times. If I upload content with FileCoin or similar mumbo-jumbo, my legitimate business data could end up being stored on the same server where criminals store stolen credit cards. No thanks. > Watch, here is totally free open source code that took us half a million dollars to produce and people can fork and build on, but if I post the link what will happen Are you... mad that people don't care about cryptocurrency? I mean, hey, if you really think crypto is going to explode, then feel free to bet everything on it. But look around you, get a feel for the real-world scale of finance that's going on right now. Cryptocurrency, NFTs and Web3 are at the bottom of the feeding chain, and they're doing absolutely nothing to change that. You keep asking people to build on other people's projects and "feel free" to contribute, but I think it's time to admit defeat. Nobody is going to do these people's work for them. No developer is going to build on an API that's actively scamming them unless it's named Google or Apple. If you feel frustrated that both the public and developers don't care about cryptocurrency, then why are you willing to bet the farm on it? > And here is a detailed write-up of what it would be like to own your OWN server and charge people for your attention in your OWN currency: https://qbix.com/ecosystem https://qbix.com/ecosystem … feel free to build upon it. I don't want to. I disagree with the way Qbix is designed, and I reckon any developer who reads the words "centralized node" will also nope the fuck out of there. > I just coined a word for people who knee-jerk downvote anything on HN that gets away from centralized gatekeepers or uses blockchain: Web2 maximalists I like it, it really sounds like a label I could be proud of. If you're a visitor on my Web2 maximalist website, you can be assured that your current browser will Just Work to find my site. As a Web2 maximalist, I also won't be offering any places for you to spend your hard-earned money. That's for you to keep. I won't be promoting any get-rich-quick schemes, I won't create complicated ownership diagrams, I'll simply deliver my HTML and CSS to you via your ISP. There's no opportunity for me to scam you, because I'm not hiding anything. My Web2 ideology is transparent, the only data that I get from you is what you willingly offer. Your visit to my website doesn't show up on any ledger. Sound like utopia? There's still plenty of time left to enjoy Web2, folks.