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Definitely not now or anywhere in near future. But just imagine that there might be something out that even the smartests of the smartests couldn't have imagine

Definitely not now or anywhere in near future. But just imagine that there might be something out that even the smartests of the smartests couldn't have imagined until now. While I don't remotely know what it would be like, I definitely know that there's so much we don't know and have not discovered yet. Having not even found out secrets about our own planet's oceans, Fermi Paradox, or origin of consciousness/life/death, I'd say there's still much to be discovered in physics.

dotancohen 4y ago
For what it's worth, I agree with you that something may be discovered some day. But we currently have absolutely no evidence nor hints that might happen. We actually have more indication that an almighty creator exists than we have indication that humans may someday achieve FTL travel. At least the former has eye-witness testimony spanning hundreds of documented cases across centuries and cultures. FTL travel? Just speculation and Gene Roddenberry.
- jotm 4y ago
  > more indication that an almighty creator exists Has that ever not been the case? God has been the goto explanation of anything modern humans didn't understand. The most brilliant minds at various points couldn't have thought "aye, if we cut a tiny thing inside a metal heavier than lead or glue these tiny things inside air it can create more energy than lighting/gunpowder/dynamite". Or that wireless communication is possible and sending a manmade moon out around the Earth is also possible, and you can do both for instantly sending light signals, nay, whole books around the globe. Or virtual worlds that are not bound by any physics (maybe we're dumped into one at birth which can make any observations rather pointless heh). I can't imagine FTL (although far out theories exist), but our current method of choice is chemical explosions, so there's some massive improvements to be made there.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    It is true that evidence for the Almighty is falling, one stick at a time, with many clinging to what remains, but the endpoint is clear. Of all of it, the sense that there is more to the universe than we will ever perceive would be a true loss, if it goes too.
simonh 4y ago
>Definitely not now or anywhere in near future. But just imagine that there might be something out that even the smartests of the smartests couldn't have imagined until now. Yes, sure, that's always possible but it's not reasonable to take that and then say "therefore maybe X". Maybe fairies. It's not a way to get to any particular conclusion.
- darkwater 4y ago
  But still, FTL travel is not possible in the Universe *with our current understanding of the Universe and its physics*. Maybe it will stay forever like that, or maybe not.
  - simonh 4y ago
    Yes of course, maybe, but we can't say that this is particularly probable and that disbelieving it is laughable, as OP claimed.

dotancohen 4y ago

For what it's worth, I agree with you that something may be discovered some day. But we currently have absolutely no evidence nor hints that might happen. We actually have more indication that an almighty creator exists than we have indication that humans may someday achieve FTL travel. At least the former has eye-witness testimony spanning hundreds of documented cases across centuries and cultures. FTL travel? Just speculation and Gene Roddenberry.

jotm 4y ago
> more indication that an almighty creator exists Has that ever not been the case? God has been the goto explanation of anything modern humans didn't understand. The most brilliant minds at various points couldn't have thought "aye, if we cut a tiny thing inside a metal heavier than lead or glue these tiny things inside air it can create more energy than lighting/gunpowder/dynamite". Or that wireless communication is possible and sending a manmade moon out around the Earth is also possible, and you can do both for instantly sending light signals, nay, whole books around the globe. Or virtual worlds that are not bound by any physics (maybe we're dumped into one at birth which can make any observations rather pointless heh). I can't imagine FTL (although far out theories exist), but our current method of choice is chemical explosions, so there's some massive improvements to be made there.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  It is true that evidence for the Almighty is falling, one stick at a time, with many clinging to what remains, but the endpoint is clear. Of all of it, the sense that there is more to the universe than we will ever perceive would be a true loss, if it goes too.

simonh 4y ago

>Definitely not now or anywhere in near future. But just imagine that there might be something out that even the smartests of the smartests couldn't have imagined until now. Yes, sure, that's always possible but it's not reasonable to take that and then say "therefore maybe X". Maybe fairies. It's not a way to get to any particular conclusion.

darkwater 4y ago
But still, FTL travel is not possible in the Universe *with our current understanding of the Universe and its physics*. Maybe it will stay forever like that, or maybe not.
- simonh 4y ago
  Yes of course, maybe, but we can't say that this is particularly probable and that disbelieving it is laughable, as OP claimed.