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> But when we learned of the email-only collaboration, it was too uncomfortable for this particular group What makes using email or certain technologies uncomf

by u801e 4y ago

> But when we learned of the email-only collaboration, it was too uncomfortable for this particular group What makes using email or certain technologies uncomfortable, but using a new language or framework comfortable? > (and I include myself) The link with the associated comment threads we are paticipating in could have easily been an email and every comment could have been a direct reply to that email or a reply to one of the comments. Would that be more or less comfortable compared to just having this discussion on the web interface on https://news.ycombinator.com https://news.ycombinator.com?

kcb 4y ago
Less comfortable, way less. Email chains that become trees are a nightmare to deal with when they happen in practice.
- u801e 4y ago
  How is an email thread with multiple branches any different than the comment tree in this post? What makes it less comfortable and why is it a nightmare compared to how the comments are rendered? The only difference is that you could have to click on each comment to read the body of the message, but the tree structure would be the same as it is now.
listenallyall 4y ago
As John McEnroe said, you cannot be serious. Are you trying to claim that Reddit, HN, and perhaps Facebook and Stack Overflow would work just as well if they were isolated to email and had no website? If email is so great, why are Slack, Trello, Discord, Notion, Basecamp all so popular?
- u801e 4y ago
  Usenet, IRC, and the chat clients that were around 20 to 30 years ago were very popular and none of them ran on a website. But your comment doesn't answer my original question about level of comfort. Why is learning how to write programs, run them, and learn frameworks considered a comfortable activity, but using email is not? The former is orders of magnitude more difficult compared to the latter, so ease of use doesn't seem to be the reason.
  - listenallyall 4y ago
    > Usenet, IRC, and the chat clients that were around 20 to 30 years ago were very popular and none of them ran on a website. And they all died out quickly as soon as web-based platforms stole their audience.
    - u801e 4y ago
      Neither of your comments answer my question about level of comfort. I would be interested to hear your answer to that question.
      - listenallyall 4y ago
        Tough shit. You made a dumb point and now you're doubling down on it, and challenging me to get into an argument about it with you. All of which is typical trolling behavior.
        u801e 4y ago
        So you don't have an answer and replied with an ad hominem instead.
        listenallyall 4y ago
        You've already provided an answer, troll: In my experience, any Microsoft Exchange/O365 server will most likely mangle the email server side (introducing quoted-printable encoding characters or changing the message-id field. Gmail will require that you enable insecure application access in order to use git-send-email. If you don't do that, then using git-send-email will result in a authentication failure error (which you can see if you use the --debug flag). So this email-only workflow doesn't work with the two most popular email clients. Where do I sign up? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19579649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19579649
        u801e 4y ago

by u801e 4y ago

kcb 4y ago

Less comfortable, way less. Email chains that become trees are a nightmare to deal with when they happen in practice.

u801e 4y ago
How is an email thread with multiple branches any different than the comment tree in this post? What makes it less comfortable and why is it a nightmare compared to how the comments are rendered? The only difference is that you could have to click on each comment to read the body of the message, but the tree structure would be the same as it is now.

listenallyall 4y ago

As John McEnroe said, you cannot be serious. Are you trying to claim that Reddit, HN, and perhaps Facebook and Stack Overflow would work just as well if they were isolated to email and had no website? If email is so great, why are Slack, Trello, Discord, Notion, Basecamp all so popular?

u801e 4y ago
Usenet, IRC, and the chat clients that were around 20 to 30 years ago were very popular and none of them ran on a website. But your comment doesn't answer my original question about level of comfort. Why is learning how to write programs, run them, and learn frameworks considered a comfortable activity, but using email is not? The former is orders of magnitude more difficult compared to the latter, so ease of use doesn't seem to be the reason.
- listenallyall 4y ago
  > Usenet, IRC, and the chat clients that were around 20 to 30 years ago were very popular and none of them ran on a website. And they all died out quickly as soon as web-based platforms stole their audience.
  - u801e 4y ago
    Neither of your comments answer my question about level of comfort. I would be interested to hear your answer to that question.
    - listenallyall 4y ago
      Tough shit. You made a dumb point and now you're doubling down on it, and challenging me to get into an argument about it with you. All of which is typical trolling behavior.
      - u801e 4y ago
        So you don't have an answer and replied with an ad hominem instead.
        listenallyall 4y ago
        You've already provided an answer, troll: In my experience, any Microsoft Exchange/O365 server will most likely mangle the email server side (introducing quoted-printable encoding characters or changing the message-id field. Gmail will require that you enable insecure application access in order to use git-send-email. If you don't do that, then using git-send-email will result in a authentication failure error (which you can see if you use the --debug flag). So this email-only workflow doesn't work with the two most popular email clients. Where do I sign up? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19579649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19579649
        u801e 4y ago