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Agreed that big data aggregation can do quite a bit and aid some features. I work with it myself except in operational rather than personal data. Some benefits

Agreed that big data aggregation can do quite a bit and aid some features. I work with it myself except in operational rather than personal data. Some benefits accrue to consumers, but most go to the holders of the data. Most if not all of these features you mention are accomplished by other companies without the collection of personal data and the many accompanying problems such as creating this surveillance state. People are making decisions about the products they buy and use based on how they are made and choosing the ethically produced products. If I have a choice in buying something that was produced ethically or not, I almost always buy the one made ethically even if it might cost a little more or be of lower quality.

shadowgovt 4y ago
> Most if not all of these features you mention are accomplished by other companies without the collection of personal data and the many accompanying problems such as creating this surveillance state. How many are as good, and how many are boot-strapped or piggybacked off of datasets that started as big data analysis and were eventually published? I'm not personally of the opinion that big data analysis is unethical; I think broadly speaking, it's been win-win. Companies collecting the data obviously benefit, and users also benefit because their data, aggregated with the data of others, enables utility for them that they would not have gotten alone. Was a time we called collective action where people generally benefited a good thing, and novel analysis of available data to draw new conclusions "research," not "unethical."
- kornhole 4y ago
  I have found great alternatives to all of these. They are great to me based on factors I consider important. I did not say that big data analysis is unethical. It is that which relies on surveilling and manipulating people/cyborgs which is unethical. I work on big data that surveils and manipulates robots, but they are not sentient and have no rights.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    What alternative to Google voice recognition have you found? That's the most important one that I cannot find a better solution for.
    - kornhole 4y ago
      For text to speech, there are a locally processed options from providers such as RH Voice and Mycroft AI. For voice recognition, I am not aware of any local processing options. Of course Apple, MS, and Amazon have ones that process on their computers. I personally don't have a need for voice recognition and have not researched.
      - shadowgovt 4y ago
        It's pretty key for my use case. And the absolute revolution in that space came from Big Data analysis on hours upon hours of voice samples from people asking real world questions.

shadowgovt 4y ago

> Most if not all of these features you mention are accomplished by other companies without the collection of personal data and the many accompanying problems such as creating this surveillance state. How many are as good, and how many are boot-strapped or piggybacked off of datasets that started as big data analysis and were eventually published? I'm not personally of the opinion that big data analysis is unethical; I think broadly speaking, it's been win-win. Companies collecting the data obviously benefit, and users also benefit because their data, aggregated with the data of others, enables utility for them that they would not have gotten alone. Was a time we called collective action where people generally benefited a good thing, and novel analysis of available data to draw new conclusions "research," not "unethical."

kornhole 4y ago
I have found great alternatives to all of these. They are great to me based on factors I consider important. I did not say that big data analysis is unethical. It is that which relies on surveilling and manipulating people/cyborgs which is unethical. I work on big data that surveils and manipulates robots, but they are not sentient and have no rights.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  What alternative to Google voice recognition have you found? That's the most important one that I cannot find a better solution for.
  - kornhole 4y ago
    For text to speech, there are a locally processed options from providers such as RH Voice and Mycroft AI. For voice recognition, I am not aware of any local processing options. Of course Apple, MS, and Amazon have ones that process on their computers. I personally don't have a need for voice recognition and have not researched.
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      It's pretty key for my use case. And the absolute revolution in that space came from Big Data analysis on hours upon hours of voice samples from people asking real world questions.