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> More accurately, this shows a FSD beta tester deliberately allowing his vehicle to head into oncoming traffic. It does not seem deliberate to me, from watchi
by wutbrodo 4y ago
> More accurately, this shows a FSD beta tester deliberately allowing his vehicle to head into oncoming traffic.
It does not seem deliberate to me, from watching the video. While stopped at an intersection, the Tesla:
- displays it's turning left but signals right
- then displays left and signals left
- starts moving, and suddenly. displays right and signals right, making a right turn
That right turn was onto the one way street, and the driver sounds (understandably) surprised as soon as he realizes he's facing oncoming traffic.
- elif 4y agoIf your hands are on the wheel, as is required of testers, it is impossible for the vehicle to turn in a direction you did not intend. The slightest pressure of human direction takes priority over any route planning by the AI. What you are seeing here is a human mistake, sorry. No one is saying that FSD beta is level 3, and treating it as such is a clear human error. Akin to a human allowing cruise control to run a red light.
- wutbrodo 4y ago> The slightest pressure of human direction takes priority over any route planning by the AI. > What you are seeing here is a human mistake, sorry. This is an enormously different claim from "deliberately allows the car to drive into oncoming traffic". It's also tautological given the intended operating mode of Tesla. I've heard this line plenty from all manner of Tesla fanatics, but it's deeply dishonest sophistry that doesn't at all address the actual complaint. Which is: the Tesla's display and motion were erratic and incorrect enough that even a reasonably-attentive driver would easily end up putting himself and others in danger. You can argue the merits of whether this should be allowed. There's reasonable disagreement on whether this is feasible in general, or at scale. And further disagreement about whether "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" should apply to endangering the lives of other road users. But please don't flatly lie about what's happening in the video by describing it as "deliberately allowing the vehicle to head into oncoming traffic" when it's extremely clear from the video that he was unaware it doing so, in large part due to the absurdly erratic performance of the system on that turn.
- elif 4y agosorry but a reasonably attentive driver knows where a one-way is. He's unaware because he's treating it like a level 3 system and trusting it, which is against TOS.
- thirtyfivecent 4y agoThe arrogant way in which you are speaking just indicates to us you are being dishonest and you are discussing this in bad faith. Perhaps you are a paid employee of Tesla.
- wutbrodo 4y agoYou are again moving the goalposts. We seem to disagree about how attentive one can expect a driver to be, across long periods. IMO, decades of science on driving are on my side. But resolving that disagreement isn't necessary: even if you're correct, the word "deliberately" doesn't mean "didn't notice because he should have been more attentive". When I mention your initial comment flatly lying, it's this "deliberate" claim I'm referring to, as the video makes it clear how surprised he is once he notices the Tesla has turned him onto a one-way. I'm sure owning TSLA has been painful recently, and as I said there's room for disagreement about whether their overall strategy is feasible. But there's no excuse for complete fabrication about the contents of the posted video.