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• AussieWog93 4y ago
  >I really don't know how the situation is going to change in the US.. As an Aussie, I've always found this strange. You've got the second amendment. At any point in time, you've got hundreds of thousands of people with a shed full of assault rifles and a prognosis that gives them less than 6 months to live. Yet rather than going after Wall Street or Big Pharma, every single violent rampage seems to target school kids or just random members of the public.
  • markus_zhang 4y ago
    The fantasy and education of "individual values" as well as "superhero" pretty much proofs the mind of US people to work on meaningful organized resistance. There is also high tech surveillance.
  • MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
    > every single violent rampage seems to target school kids or just random members of the public Which, ironically, might be connected to SSRI‘s.
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  • drdaeman 4y ago
    They're civilized, normal, rational people - guess they don't see violence as a solution. Not like those mentally unstable, radicalized and frequently immature shooters.
    • Guthur 4y ago
      Glad we're in agreement that the government is neither, civilised, normal or rational.
      • themitigating 4y ago
        The government is just a set of people that changes over time not some singular entity that has distinct behavior compared to humans. Speaking about it as like you do makes no sense
        • TheFreim 4y ago
          I don't think "the government" is /just/ a set of people that changes over time. Government, based on the people who were previously in it and incentive structures, change/enable the people who are in the government to varying degrees.
        • CyanBird 4y ago
          > government is just a set of people that changes over time Then use the 2nd amendment , until rational people enter the scene > “In politics, my dear fellow, you know, as well as I do, there are no men, but ideas — no feelings, but interests; in politics we do not kill a man, we only remove an obstacle, that is all.” ― Alexandre Dumas, The Count of Monte Cristo
  • yieldcrv 4y ago
    The government has bigger guns and drones The Rambo fantasy stuff is a joke Its also not middle aged cancer patients doing mass shootings, its teenagers
  • pyuser583 4y ago
    We mostly have criminals shooting other criminals. Schools shootings are insanely rare. More males dies of breast cancer than all people who die in mass shootings. Mass shootings just get lots of press. But they’re super rare.
    • eddyschai 4y ago
      Probably not true, but only just. 570 men die of breast cancer each year in the US (latest stats from the Cancer Statistics Center) while 330 people have died in mass shootings in the US this year so far. You can see the stats, taken from the Gun Violence Archive, here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xB5VWgcpvw5UrWYq-6sokWM2Qoj5kfbRKF7cd5pUji8/ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xB5VWgcpvw5UrWYq-6so...
      • bigDinosaur 4y ago
        Mass shootings are more traumatic though as they're extremely brutal, graphic, and sudden. I'd weight the actual impact of someone I know being shot in a mass shooting far worse than someone I know dying of breast cancer. The latter won't have them leave in the morning and not come back at 5pm randomly. It also won't create a general climate of fear, distrust between people, and terrible politics. Both are tragic, but tragedies of different kind, which is why direct comparisons always seem technically correct but missing so badly the way people actually think about and experience tragedy.
        • BrianOnHN 4y ago
          > also won't create a general climate of fear, distrust between people, and terrible politics Also why they're allowed to continue. "It's good for business."
        • eddyschai 4y ago
          Not debating any of that; originally thought the comment above mine was wrong, looked at the stats, and found they were far closer than I assumed.
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  • jpindar 4y ago
    I haven't heard of any medical related ones, but there have been cases where an adult shot their boss, or a judge that had ruled against them or a cop that had arrested them. These just don't get the press coverage, for whatever reason.
  • Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
    Laws have created an environment that makes it facially difficult to lay blame. Technology has made it easier and faster and safer to conspire. Police were created to catch slaves and they’re culturally incapable of doing any more than that. Imagine Joe average local cop trying to go undercover at McKinsey. Done laughing? What about the fbi you ask? They’re just as bad as local police but think and act like they’re better. Other regulatory agencies either have been entirely corrupted and co-opted or they’ve been neutered or will be soon by this law making body we formerly called the Supreme Court. People crave Justice. Vigilantes do not create Justice. Thus harming people harming society without due process is unjust. The founding fathers and other visionaries like Malcolm X and MlK have written more on this topic but personally I find it a too boring to have read into. Look at the Arab spring for a recent successful reactionary rights movement that was not started by a massacre and look to China for the leading edge of suppressing dissent. The champions of advancing human rights are largely not cold blooded killers whereas those suppressing such movements must regress to these tactics to maintain their hard and soft power.
    • Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
      If you disagree I wish you’d bother to tell me why so I can learn from you.
  • robonerd 4y ago
    Things aren't great right now, but they would have to be pretty damn shit for a civil war to seem like an improvement.
  • themitigating 4y ago
    I also wondered about this. Why aren't more rich people murdered by people who have a fixed amount of time to live. 1. People are cowards even if they are dying Or 2. Only sociopaths can kill for revenge.
  • shreyshnaccount 4y ago
    Going off the topic a bit- I was recently listening to an American podcast and it was talking about a single mother who worked multiple jobs finally getting a good full time job who said that they would visit the doctor even though they aren't sick "just because they can", and this made me, a non American, tear up. how could people in the developed world, even poor people, not have access to healthcare, when even our government with a fraction of the US govt budget provides free basic Healthcare and people are generally able to see doctors.. seems like a very strange thing right? has the word "developed" lost all meaning? or is the US not a developed country anymore?
    • spoonjim 4y ago
      I saw a Tweet to the effect of "Instead of thinking of the US as a version of Norway or the Netherlands that happens to be failing on virtually every metric, it's more accurate to think of the US as a version of Brazil that happens to be rich."
      • shreyshnaccount 4y ago
        would be very interesting to see what metrics one can use to visualise this sentiment, and if it's true or not (my feeling is it's true). imo metrics like GDP, healthy birth, education etc provide a distorted and inaccurate view of citizen welfare. to have a good society, we need to choose metrics that will rank a perfect utopia better than a dystopia (which we don't have, a slave state will have higher GDP, cuz, well, slaves) . but ofc, everyone can't agree on what utopia looks like, so how do you get the metrics? maybe by agreeing on some basic ground rules (slavery bad, murder bad, work-life balance good etc) and build metrics based on these. ofc now no one will agree on the ground rules, but I suppose it's the elected governments job to decide those based on the specific culture of a country. ofc this is a very simplified view of reality and will fall apart in mere minutes in the real world, but kight serve as a starting point, no?
        • kwhitefoot 4y ago
          > see what metrics one can use to visualise this sentimen the Gini coefficient goes some way. In percent: Norway 27.6 US 41.5 Brazil 53.4 See https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coefficient-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coef...
  • feet 4y ago
    The people who talk about protecting themselves from a tyrannical government are usually the ones who lick the boot the hardest The US citizens wouldn't be able to stand up to the military anyhow
    • kortilla 4y ago
      > The US citizens wouldn't be able to stand up to the military anyhow To what military? The one made of US citizens?
      • feet 4y ago
        Yea and the government made of US citizens. Have you really forgotten about the polarization of the US or are you just going to treat the 300M+ people as one homogeneous group? What's your point
        • kortilla 4y ago
          > What's your point Open a history book. Two important events you’ll find: - the US government trying to use military against citizens resulted in a civil war and military fighting military. - the Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam wars have demonstrated quite clearly that armed insurgents cannot be eradicated by a massive power imbalance alone. People making IEDs out of stuff you can find at a Home Depot and randomly attacking military from within civilian populations using small arms was significantly effective. “But muh gubment has fancy planes so people shouldn’t have guns” is about the dumbest argument you can make.
          • feet 4y ago
            See, my point was that the government has been growing increasingly tyrannical and a good portion of the population has gone along with it whole-hog Police have been increasingly militarized and its used against citizens on a regular basis Which portion of the population felates the police on a regular basis and says they can do no wrong? The boot has been licked, brother. You can thank hyper nationalism I never said anything about gun rights
  • rasz 4y ago
    Have you ever heard of someone in US revenge killing a cop after said cop killed/shot a baby? Quick google ~one year back brings plenty of victims. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/houston-police-shoot-baby/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/houston-police-shoot-b... https://www.wlox.com/2021/05/05/coroner-infant-died-after-caught-crossfire-between-police-double-murder-suspect/ https://www.wlox.com/2021/05/05/coroner-infant-died-after-ca... https://www.nj.com/mercer/2022/02/cop-charged-with-killing-his-newborn-freed-from-jail-after-judge-excludes-evidence.html https://www.nj.com/mercer/2022/02/cop-charged-with-killing-h... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Aiyana_Jones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Aiyana_Jones No revenge. Turns out people capable of killing either are already part of Police force, and/or are too insane to think logically and lash out at innocents.
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  • runamok 4y ago
    I always thought if I was about to die in poverty due to the state of our screwed up "health care" system I'd self immolate on the steps of a health insurer's CEO or corporate headquarters.
  • watwut 4y ago
    The armed revolution is very likely to bring up violent tyranny and very unlikely to strengthen democracy and bring justice. Also, succesful revolutions require organization and tons of money.
  • spamizbad 4y ago
    Several mass shooter manifestos have made references to the parties you’re talking about… but they end up killing their families, school children, or shopping centers full of minorities instead. I suspect it’s because most mass shooters are ultimately cowards and those organizations are big, scary, and often located in “intimidating” areas like major cities. That, and there’s tons of racist conspiracy theories that make it sound like a bunch of working class Muslims, Blacks and Latinos are somehow playing for the same team as Jamie Dimon.
  • wahnfrieden 4y ago
    US has spent a lot of time dividing the working class and poor so that they fight their neighbor more than the capitalist or state
• fortuna86 4y ago
  As I told every college freshman who just took poli sci 101, if you have a better system than capitalism, we're all ears.
  • tclancy 4y ago
    They are all around us, no one wants to admit they bought the lie though.
  • nemothekid 4y ago
    I know it feels very self-righteous to dunk on college students but this reasoning is kind of like traveling back to the middle ages and telling a knight "if you have a better system than feudalism, we're all ears". Just like a King is going to do anything in their vast amount of power to uphold the monarchy; so does capitalism. In both cases, the current powers that be will always seem entrenched
    • bryanrasmussen 4y ago
      unless you have traveled back from a future in which a better solution exists, then not really.
      • nemothekid 4y ago
        You could make that same argument to the hypothetical knight. Capitalism in the modern sense has only been around for 200 years. Just because you are unable to imagine a different future doesn't mean that one doesn't exist. What you are doing is no different than an appeal to tradition. You are sacrificing the virgin to the mountain god every year for reasons you can't fully grasp.
        • bryanrasmussen 4y ago
          you're right that I have not imagined a different and better future syste,, but in the hypothetical someone does know of a different and better future system (assuming that we agree capitalism is better than feudalism), goes back to the past, and lies and says there is not a better system. Second of all I admit I don't know of a different better system, I do not say I like the present system especially, although I get the feeling you must think that I do not being able to think of a better one. >You are sacrificing the virgin to the mountain god every year for reasons you can't fully grasp. and you are evidently good at insulting people and feeling superior when they admit they don't know of a better way without providing any concrete arguments for a better system. Must be nice.
• submeta 4y ago
  Things can change though. For decades rich disgusting guys were abusing young girls and women, without repurcussions, until the #metoo movement sent the Weinsteins, the R‘Kellys, the Epsteins and their helpers and others to jail.
  • newsclues 4y ago
    IF things change, which clients of convicted sex trafficker Maxwell we’re also charged and convicted after being named in the public courtroom that the world is watching instead of celebrity court?
  • ihm 4y ago
    Those are all limited hang outs. Abuse is endemic in Hollywood, Weinstein and Bill Cosby were scapegoats. I’m sure things have continued as they did before a few people went to jail. Similarly with Epstein. Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Trump, Gates. None of them will ever face consequences.
    • atoav 4y ago
      > None of them will ever face consequences. If this is how we decided it is, they will not. Sadly an awful lot of people already decided that this is an unchangable law of nature — and by doing so they are complicit.
  • bdangubic 4y ago
    If #metoo movement really brought up meaningful changes who would be in jail is clinton, trump, gates, not weinstein and rkelly…
    • themitigating 4y ago
      What would Clinton, Gates, and Trump be guily of related to metoo?
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• humaniania 4y ago
  "Consequences are only for Julian Assange and Snowden." wtf kind of bizarre comment from a new account
• avgcorrection 4y ago
  What’s with the value judgement? People who had accidents and get addicted to pain killers are “weak” and “at the bottom of the food chain”? And “food chain” implies that humans are supposed to prey on each other, which would make what those people are doing OK.