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Video shows self-driving Tesla head into oncoming traffic

62 points by camjohnson26 4y ago

thamer 4y ago
Direct link to the moment the car turns onto a one-way street, against traffic: https://youtu.be/t0kXTZJZ87E?t=392 https://youtu.be/t0kXTZJZ87E?t=392
elif 4y ago
More accurately, this shows a FSD beta tester deliberately allowing his vehicle to head into oncoming traffic. The beta is not just level 2, it is a privileged system of trust to enable learning. A privilege that this user will likely no-longer be afforded. That being said, I am a FSD beta tester that lives between 2 one-way streets and I can confirm it is laughably bad at one-way streets. This week, it tried to change lanes into an oncoming reversible lane as if it were a turning lane. 1 block from my house, FSD beta comes to a complete standstill 10 meters before the stop sign, while it waits indefinitely for completely parked cars to clear what it believes is the left lane before turning left. When the left side of a one-way is clear and cars are parked on the right, it will weave toward the parked cars as if "staying right" makes sense for any reason in this context. But most annoyingly, it will completely ignore signs like "do not enter" and "no turn on red" not like a bug, but like it doesn't even attempt to read them. Of course, as a beta tester it is not difficult to prevent it from doing these unsafe things since it's going the actual speeddlimit and I keep my hands on the wheel unlike this presumably former tester.
- robonerd 4y ago
  > The beta is not just level 2, The beta is a drunk teenager.
  - elif 4y ago
    Every release you can tell it's learning little more about general driving. I would call it a responsible but paranoid adult driver if you are driving in the suburbs or a city with well marked roads and controls. The problem is that it doesn't seem to even attempt certain human logic patterns, and I'm not sure a generalized approach will ever be able to infer these kind of nuances.
    - nikau 4y ago
      One begins to wonder how much is learning vs a bunch of logic manually coded for locations with the highest number of sudden manual intervention.
      - elif 4y ago
        At AI day and in shareholder meetings they go over this regularly. Last year they described having 16 AI models for handling various situations, with the goal of eliminating all code logic and moving to a single-stack AI model capable of all situations.
- bamboozled 4y ago
  I love that beta testing is now endangering people lives. Really taken to a whole new level!
  - elif 4y ago
    If you care for the math, even in it's current state it is saving lives. Things like braking early to cause a fender collision rather than a door collision are remarkable superhuman feats, but beyond that the mere fact that it is always paying attention in every direction, has no ego, no sense of tardiness, urgency, efficiency, selfishness, aggressiveness or defensiveness makes it really easy to kill less people than human drivers do.
    - dagmx 4y ago
      The breaking to avoid collisions is both standard on a lot of cars, and not part of the FSD Beta. Additionally, even though the FSD Beta is able to more accurately detect objects in a wide view that isn't borne into safety yet for a few reasons: - the driving behavior is inconsistent and often will still ignore things that it detects because the hardcoded and ML models don't know what to do - Tesla don't have the strongest sensor coverage. In fact, for higher end cars, they actually lag behind most competitors by having quite significant blind spots right in front of the hood and lack (depending on the model) rear and forward facing radars, therefore having vision blind spots that radar could see around by bouncing. I say this as a 2020 Model Y owner, the FSD is way further behind than what you describe.
      - cma 4y ago
        Yeah, AEB is almost a mandate at this point. It was voluntary but almost all automakers got on board: https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/nhtsa-announces-2020-update-aeb-installation-20-automakers https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/nhtsa-announces-2020-up...
        elif 4y ago
        I am describing human damage mitigation in the event of a side impact crash. No AEB system operates in that situation. https://youtu.be/C15IYntlmvo https://youtu.be/C15IYntlmvo
- wutbrodo 4y ago
  > More accurately, this shows a FSD beta tester deliberately allowing his vehicle to head into oncoming traffic. It does not seem deliberate to me, from watching the video. While stopped at an intersection, the Tesla: - displays it's turning left but signals right - then displays left and signals left - starts moving, and suddenly. displays right and signals right, making a right turn That right turn was onto the one way street, and the driver sounds (understandably) surprised as soon as he realizes he's facing oncoming traffic.
  - elif 4y ago
    If your hands are on the wheel, as is required of testers, it is impossible for the vehicle to turn in a direction you did not intend. The slightest pressure of human direction takes priority over any route planning by the AI. What you are seeing here is a human mistake, sorry. No one is saying that FSD beta is level 3, and treating it as such is a clear human error. Akin to a human allowing cruise control to run a red light.
    - wutbrodo 4y ago
      > The slightest pressure of human direction takes priority over any route planning by the AI. > What you are seeing here is a human mistake, sorry. This is an enormously different claim from "deliberately allows the car to drive into oncoming traffic". It's also tautological given the intended operating mode of Tesla. I've heard this line plenty from all manner of Tesla fanatics, but it's deeply dishonest sophistry that doesn't at all address the actual complaint. Which is: the Tesla's display and motion were erratic and incorrect enough that even a reasonably-attentive driver would easily end up putting himself and others in danger. You can argue the merits of whether this should be allowed. There's reasonable disagreement on whether this is feasible in general, or at scale. And further disagreement about whether "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" should apply to endangering the lives of other road users. But please don't flatly lie about what's happening in the video by describing it as "deliberately allowing the vehicle to head into oncoming traffic" when it's extremely clear from the video that he was unaware it doing so, in large part due to the absurdly erratic performance of the system on that turn.
- wolrah 4y ago
  You're not a tester at all. You're a user who an irresponsible company has given access to incomplete software intended to control a powerful machine in close proximity to the general public. There are no test protocols. There's no repetition to isolate the cause of a malfunction. There's no communication with the actual engineers. There's no meaningful feedback loop at all. Most importantly there's no corporate insurance, so when it goes wrong any unwitting members of the public that are impacted (sometimes literally) are stuck trying to recover their costs from some random person. The claim that there's any kind of actual learning going on from public "testing" has yet to be supported as well. Low quality testing as noted above results in low quality data, and while enough low quality data can sometimes be useful for trends over a large group autonomous driving is something where specifics matter. Tesla is using the "FSD beta" process primarily for marketing hype, but also to create a group of people who will be angry about having their toys taken away when regulators finally catch up.
  - elif 4y ago
    I'll give you the benefit of assuming ignorance rather than malice, but the FSD beta is a program that is selective based upon absurdly high driving standards, from which it is easy to be kicked out even from responsible use. "There is no repetition, (..) protocols (..) communication with engineers (..) meaningful feedback loop" Yes, there is. There is a clear user agreement protocol that the video in this post violated. If your hands are on the wheel, it is impossible for the car to turn 90 degrees in a direction you didn't intend. The slightest wheel pressure would overcome this maneuver attempt. There is also the inverse feedback loop for engineers. The in-cabin camera constantly monitors the driver's eye movement and will kick the tester out of the program completely if the system disengages based upon the driver looking at the console or his phone or closing his eyes. Moreover, communication of malfunctions is both automatic with disengagement, but can also be communicated directly by the tester through the use of the report button. Both of these channels create simulation test cases which are actively used in a continuous feedback loop to train the AI.
    - wolrah 4y ago
      > I'll give you the benefit of assuming ignorance rather than malice Neither ignorance nor malice, just stating the facts. > but the FSD beta is a program that is selective based upon absurdly high driving standards, from which it is easy to be kicked out even from responsible use. The criteria being tested in Tesla's game to get access to the beta has nothing to do with whether you would be a good tester. Whether or not you can drive the car in a way that makes it happy doesn't reveal anything about the value of the information you could offer if they were running an actual test program. > Yes, there is. There is a clear user agreement protocol that the video in this post violated. That's not what I mean by a test protocol. When actual testing is being performed by engineers employed by the various vendors in this market, they have a plan for exactly what they're testing, where, and how. The drivers have intent and are actively kept aware of the known bugs and weak spots to look out for. In most cases the test driver is not the engineer monitoring the testing, they ride in the passenger seat so they can be fully focused on what the self driving system is doing while the driver can be focused on ensuring safety. By repetition, when actual testers get an unexpected result they re-run the test segment to produce more data, hopefully replicating and isolating the problem. Communication with actual testers is two way. Sure, sometimes the problem is obvious, but a lot of times there's benefit from further explanation. Either way, after developing a fix you need to test that it actually worked and we go back to the protocols and repetition. > There is also the inverse feedback loop for engineers. The in-cabin camera constantly monitors the driver's eye movement and will kick the tester out of the program completely if the system disengages based upon the driver looking at the console or his phone or closing his eyes. Actual enforcement of this started just over a month ago with FSD Beta 10.12.2. The cameras had been present for a few years but were only activated to even nag the driver roughly a year prior, but could be blocked with no consequence until this recent update. > Moreover, communication of malfunctions is both automatic with disengagement, but can also be communicated directly by the tester through the use of the report button. Both of these channels create simulation test cases which are actively used in a continuous feedback loop to train the AI. Again what I said about low quality data. Individual event reports generated by random people with no test plan, no training, no guidance, nothing but their own idea of what's right and wrong have a very limited SNR. Likewise for disengagements, especially when Tesla has historically been known for their lenience as far as any kind of driver monitoring or limits on where their systems can be used, while encouraging misunderstanding of its capabilities.
angrysword 4y ago
"I got to admit, Tesla's self-driving software is getting really impressive, and I've been using it all the time. Here's a vid of Tesla's FSD Beta driving through Seattle (version 10.11.2), and doing the monorail test 3 times. It's so fun to watch the car get better. Feels like I'm living in the future every time I turn on FSD Beta or Autopilot :)" This is what youtuber author said. However, the headline is trying to attract more eyeballs. Shorter looks desperate now!
- cma 4y ago
  If he is in the program because he works at Tesla it is possible he just wanted to add that positive flavor text to avoid getting fired: https://electrek.co/2022/03/16/tesla-employee-fired-sharing-video-crash-full-self-driving-beta/ https://electrek.co/2022/03/16/tesla-employee-fired-sharing-... Tesla fired the first employee to report an FSD crash. They knew about his channel for years and he disclosed it to them, and then they fired him a couple weeks after he posted a minor crash video.
  - leobg 4y ago
    This is Gali from Hyperchange. He doesn’t work for Tesla.
44gg44gg 4y ago
True story: About three months ago, I saw a Tesla exiting a fast food establishment, pull in front of a normal big yellow school bus. The school bus slammed on brakes and blasted the horn. [edit] to be fair, the incident happened on a weird S - shaped part of the road
avalys 4y ago
A friend demoed his FSD-enabled Model 3 to me the other day. In a 5-minute midday drive on the quiet, well-kept streets in his ordinary suburban neighborhood, it tried to pull in front of an oncoming car while making a right turn onto a road, and tried to turn in front of an oncoming car when trying to make a left turn off said road. Both times the Tesla initially seemed like it was going to wait for the oncoming traffic - then lurched in front of it at the last second. My friend had to jump on the brakes to avoid an accident. In both cases the other car was clearly visible and in fact, the only other traffic in sight. You couldn’t have come up with a simpler test case if you tried. What a joke. Tesla is nowhere close to FSD. My bet is they have a NN that can recognize lanes, stop signs, street lights, and most of the time, other traffic, and some simple control logic on top of that. Nowhere close to FSD.
- bergenty 4y ago
  - alphabettsy 4y ago
    The fact that you’ve never had an issue means that it couldn’t of happened?
  - user_named 4y ago
    I don't believe you.
    - jondwillis 4y ago
      I believe everyone! It's definitely possible to have really bad FSD experiences, but also easy to have pretty good ones too... if you don't use it much.
      - SAI_Peregrinus 4y ago
        I've never had my Tesla FSD have any issues, probably because I don't own a Tesla!
golf1052 4y ago
>The car opted to turn right — straight up the wrong way of a one-way street in San Francisco (around the 6:35 mark below). Not sure where they got San Francisco from, this took place in Seattle. The video description they link to plainly says this >Here's a vid of Tesla's FSD Beta driving through Seattle Funnily enough this is the same guy who's Tesla lurched towards pedestrians crossing an intersection last year https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1542555188279517184 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1542555188279517184 and once he started getting flak he copyright struck the Twitter videos and deleted the video from his YouTube account.
- camjohnson26 4y ago
  Also the same guy whose car lunged toward a bicyclist, the link was posted here somewhere.
ricardobayes 4y ago
Another piece of tech that will only ever be available to 'rich white' people, meaning a reach of 50M urban users in the western world. I grow to dislike this sort of tech. We should aim to close gaps in our world not open them.
- syspec 4y ago
  Please take race out of it, you're just perpetuating the predjudice that anyone not white is poor. Which just hurts non-white rich people when in situations around rich white people. It will make them feel like they don't belong which I'm sure is not your intent I know your sentence means well, but something to keep in mind.
- thirtyfivecent 4y ago
  Race baitor
JoeAltmaier 4y ago
I wonder that Tesla doesn't seem to make use of a national map of roads, to know about one-way streets and turn lanes and so on. It'd be a valuable addition to 'blunder around trying not to hit anything' or whatever their current algorithm is.
d_tr 4y ago
Do regular drivers actually take their hands off the wheel and expect the car to drive them around in an urban road network? And they have peace of mind while doing so?
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  Worse, it appears there are at least some software engineers who do this. It’s perplexing to me that anyone who works in this industry would give any software control over their life.

62 points by camjohnson26 4y ago

Direct link to the moment the car turns onto a one-way street, against traffic: https://youtu.be/t0kXTZJZ87E?t=392 https://youtu.be/t0kXTZJZ87E?t=392

elif 4y ago

More accurately, this shows a FSD beta tester deliberately allowing his vehicle to head into oncoming traffic. The beta is not just level 2, it is a privileged system of trust to enable learning. A privilege that this user will likely no-longer be afforded. That being said, I am a FSD beta tester that lives between 2 one-way streets and I can confirm it is laughably bad at one-way streets. This week, it tried to change lanes into an oncoming reversible lane as if it were a turning lane. 1 block from my house, FSD beta comes to a complete standstill 10 meters before the stop sign, while it waits indefinitely for completely parked cars to clear what it believes is the left lane before turning left. When the left side of a one-way is clear and cars are parked on the right, it will weave toward the parked cars as if "staying right" makes sense for any reason in this context. But most annoyingly, it will completely ignore signs like "do not enter" and "no turn on red" not like a bug, but like it doesn't even attempt to read them. Of course, as a beta tester it is not difficult to prevent it from doing these unsafe things since it's going the actual speeddlimit and I keep my hands on the wheel unlike this presumably former tester.

robonerd 4y ago
> The beta is not just level 2, The beta is a drunk teenager.
- elif 4y ago
  Every release you can tell it's learning little more about general driving. I would call it a responsible but paranoid adult driver if you are driving in the suburbs or a city with well marked roads and controls. The problem is that it doesn't seem to even attempt certain human logic patterns, and I'm not sure a generalized approach will ever be able to infer these kind of nuances.
  - nikau 4y ago
    One begins to wonder how much is learning vs a bunch of logic manually coded for locations with the highest number of sudden manual intervention.
    - elif 4y ago
      At AI day and in shareholder meetings they go over this regularly. Last year they described having 16 AI models for handling various situations, with the goal of eliminating all code logic and moving to a single-stack AI model capable of all situations.
bamboozled 4y ago
I love that beta testing is now endangering people lives. Really taken to a whole new level!
- elif 4y ago
  If you care for the math, even in it's current state it is saving lives. Things like braking early to cause a fender collision rather than a door collision are remarkable superhuman feats, but beyond that the mere fact that it is always paying attention in every direction, has no ego, no sense of tardiness, urgency, efficiency, selfishness, aggressiveness or defensiveness makes it really easy to kill less people than human drivers do.
  - dagmx 4y ago
    The breaking to avoid collisions is both standard on a lot of cars, and not part of the FSD Beta. Additionally, even though the FSD Beta is able to more accurately detect objects in a wide view that isn't borne into safety yet for a few reasons: - the driving behavior is inconsistent and often will still ignore things that it detects because the hardcoded and ML models don't know what to do - Tesla don't have the strongest sensor coverage. In fact, for higher end cars, they actually lag behind most competitors by having quite significant blind spots right in front of the hood and lack (depending on the model) rear and forward facing radars, therefore having vision blind spots that radar could see around by bouncing. I say this as a 2020 Model Y owner, the FSD is way further behind than what you describe.
    - cma 4y ago
      Yeah, AEB is almost a mandate at this point. It was voluntary but almost all automakers got on board: https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/nhtsa-announces-2020-update-aeb-installation-20-automakers https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/nhtsa-announces-2020-up...
      - elif 4y ago
        I am describing human damage mitigation in the event of a side impact crash. No AEB system operates in that situation. https://youtu.be/C15IYntlmvo https://youtu.be/C15IYntlmvo
wutbrodo 4y ago
> More accurately, this shows a FSD beta tester deliberately allowing his vehicle to head into oncoming traffic. It does not seem deliberate to me, from watching the video. While stopped at an intersection, the Tesla: - displays it's turning left but signals right - then displays left and signals left - starts moving, and suddenly. displays right and signals right, making a right turn That right turn was onto the one way street, and the driver sounds (understandably) surprised as soon as he realizes he's facing oncoming traffic.
- elif 4y ago
  If your hands are on the wheel, as is required of testers, it is impossible for the vehicle to turn in a direction you did not intend. The slightest pressure of human direction takes priority over any route planning by the AI. What you are seeing here is a human mistake, sorry. No one is saying that FSD beta is level 3, and treating it as such is a clear human error. Akin to a human allowing cruise control to run a red light.
  - wutbrodo 4y ago
    > The slightest pressure of human direction takes priority over any route planning by the AI. > What you are seeing here is a human mistake, sorry. This is an enormously different claim from "deliberately allows the car to drive into oncoming traffic". It's also tautological given the intended operating mode of Tesla. I've heard this line plenty from all manner of Tesla fanatics, but it's deeply dishonest sophistry that doesn't at all address the actual complaint. Which is: the Tesla's display and motion were erratic and incorrect enough that even a reasonably-attentive driver would easily end up putting himself and others in danger. You can argue the merits of whether this should be allowed. There's reasonable disagreement on whether this is feasible in general, or at scale. And further disagreement about whether "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" should apply to endangering the lives of other road users. But please don't flatly lie about what's happening in the video by describing it as "deliberately allowing the vehicle to head into oncoming traffic" when it's extremely clear from the video that he was unaware it doing so, in large part due to the absurdly erratic performance of the system on that turn.
wolrah 4y ago
You're not a tester at all. You're a user who an irresponsible company has given access to incomplete software intended to control a powerful machine in close proximity to the general public. There are no test protocols. There's no repetition to isolate the cause of a malfunction. There's no communication with the actual engineers. There's no meaningful feedback loop at all. Most importantly there's no corporate insurance, so when it goes wrong any unwitting members of the public that are impacted (sometimes literally) are stuck trying to recover their costs from some random person. The claim that there's any kind of actual learning going on from public "testing" has yet to be supported as well. Low quality testing as noted above results in low quality data, and while enough low quality data can sometimes be useful for trends over a large group autonomous driving is something where specifics matter. Tesla is using the "FSD beta" process primarily for marketing hype, but also to create a group of people who will be angry about having their toys taken away when regulators finally catch up.
- elif 4y ago
  I'll give you the benefit of assuming ignorance rather than malice, but the FSD beta is a program that is selective based upon absurdly high driving standards, from which it is easy to be kicked out even from responsible use. "There is no repetition, (..) protocols (..) communication with engineers (..) meaningful feedback loop" Yes, there is. There is a clear user agreement protocol that the video in this post violated. If your hands are on the wheel, it is impossible for the car to turn 90 degrees in a direction you didn't intend. The slightest wheel pressure would overcome this maneuver attempt. There is also the inverse feedback loop for engineers. The in-cabin camera constantly monitors the driver's eye movement and will kick the tester out of the program completely if the system disengages based upon the driver looking at the console or his phone or closing his eyes. Moreover, communication of malfunctions is both automatic with disengagement, but can also be communicated directly by the tester through the use of the report button. Both of these channels create simulation test cases which are actively used in a continuous feedback loop to train the AI.
  - wolrah 4y ago
    > I'll give you the benefit of assuming ignorance rather than malice Neither ignorance nor malice, just stating the facts. > but the FSD beta is a program that is selective based upon absurdly high driving standards, from which it is easy to be kicked out even from responsible use. The criteria being tested in Tesla's game to get access to the beta has nothing to do with whether you would be a good tester. Whether or not you can drive the car in a way that makes it happy doesn't reveal anything about the value of the information you could offer if they were running an actual test program. > Yes, there is. There is a clear user agreement protocol that the video in this post violated. That's not what I mean by a test protocol. When actual testing is being performed by engineers employed by the various vendors in this market, they have a plan for exactly what they're testing, where, and how. The drivers have intent and are actively kept aware of the known bugs and weak spots to look out for. In most cases the test driver is not the engineer monitoring the testing, they ride in the passenger seat so they can be fully focused on what the self driving system is doing while the driver can be focused on ensuring safety. By repetition, when actual testers get an unexpected result they re-run the test segment to produce more data, hopefully replicating and isolating the problem. Communication with actual testers is two way. Sure, sometimes the problem is obvious, but a lot of times there's benefit from further explanation. Either way, after developing a fix you need to test that it actually worked and we go back to the protocols and repetition. > There is also the inverse feedback loop for engineers. The in-cabin camera constantly monitors the driver's eye movement and will kick the tester out of the program completely if the system disengages based upon the driver looking at the console or his phone or closing his eyes. Actual enforcement of this started just over a month ago with FSD Beta 10.12.2. The cameras had been present for a few years but were only activated to even nag the driver roughly a year prior, but could be blocked with no consequence until this recent update. > Moreover, communication of malfunctions is both automatic with disengagement, but can also be communicated directly by the tester through the use of the report button. Both of these channels create simulation test cases which are actively used in a continuous feedback loop to train the AI. Again what I said about low quality data. Individual event reports generated by random people with no test plan, no training, no guidance, nothing but their own idea of what's right and wrong have a very limited SNR. Likewise for disengagements, especially when Tesla has historically been known for their lenience as far as any kind of driver monitoring or limits on where their systems can be used, while encouraging misunderstanding of its capabilities.

angrysword 4y ago

"I got to admit, Tesla's self-driving software is getting really impressive, and I've been using it all the time. Here's a vid of Tesla's FSD Beta driving through Seattle (version 10.11.2), and doing the monorail test 3 times. It's so fun to watch the car get better. Feels like I'm living in the future every time I turn on FSD Beta or Autopilot :)" This is what youtuber author said. However, the headline is trying to attract more eyeballs. Shorter looks desperate now!

cma 4y ago
If he is in the program because he works at Tesla it is possible he just wanted to add that positive flavor text to avoid getting fired: https://electrek.co/2022/03/16/tesla-employee-fired-sharing-video-crash-full-self-driving-beta/ https://electrek.co/2022/03/16/tesla-employee-fired-sharing-... Tesla fired the first employee to report an FSD crash. They knew about his channel for years and he disclosed it to them, and then they fired him a couple weeks after he posted a minor crash video.
- leobg 4y ago
  This is Gali from Hyperchange. He doesn’t work for Tesla.

44gg44gg 4y ago

True story: About three months ago, I saw a Tesla exiting a fast food establishment, pull in front of a normal big yellow school bus. The school bus slammed on brakes and blasted the horn. [edit] to be fair, the incident happened on a weird S - shaped part of the road

avalys 4y ago

A friend demoed his FSD-enabled Model 3 to me the other day. In a 5-minute midday drive on the quiet, well-kept streets in his ordinary suburban neighborhood, it tried to pull in front of an oncoming car while making a right turn onto a road, and tried to turn in front of an oncoming car when trying to make a left turn off said road. Both times the Tesla initially seemed like it was going to wait for the oncoming traffic - then lurched in front of it at the last second. My friend had to jump on the brakes to avoid an accident. In both cases the other car was clearly visible and in fact, the only other traffic in sight. You couldn’t have come up with a simpler test case if you tried. What a joke. Tesla is nowhere close to FSD. My bet is they have a NN that can recognize lanes, stop signs, street lights, and most of the time, other traffic, and some simple control logic on top of that. Nowhere close to FSD.

bergenty 4y ago
- alphabettsy 4y ago
  The fact that you’ve never had an issue means that it couldn’t of happened?
- user_named 4y ago
  I don't believe you.
  - jondwillis 4y ago
    I believe everyone! It's definitely possible to have really bad FSD experiences, but also easy to have pretty good ones too... if you don't use it much.
    - SAI_Peregrinus 4y ago
      I've never had my Tesla FSD have any issues, probably because I don't own a Tesla!

golf1052 4y ago

>The car opted to turn right — straight up the wrong way of a one-way street in San Francisco (around the 6:35 mark below). Not sure where they got San Francisco from, this took place in Seattle. The video description they link to plainly says this >Here's a vid of Tesla's FSD Beta driving through Seattle Funnily enough this is the same guy who's Tesla lurched towards pedestrians crossing an intersection last year https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1542555188279517184 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1542555188279517184 and once he started getting flak he copyright struck the Twitter videos and deleted the video from his YouTube account.

camjohnson26 4y ago
Also the same guy whose car lunged toward a bicyclist, the link was posted here somewhere.

ricardobayes 4y ago

Another piece of tech that will only ever be available to 'rich white' people, meaning a reach of 50M urban users in the western world. I grow to dislike this sort of tech. We should aim to close gaps in our world not open them.

syspec 4y ago
Please take race out of it, you're just perpetuating the predjudice that anyone not white is poor. Which just hurts non-white rich people when in situations around rich white people. It will make them feel like they don't belong which I'm sure is not your intent I know your sentence means well, but something to keep in mind.
thirtyfivecent 4y ago
Race baitor

JoeAltmaier 4y ago

I wonder that Tesla doesn't seem to make use of a national map of roads, to know about one-way streets and turn lanes and so on. It'd be a valuable addition to 'blunder around trying not to hit anything' or whatever their current algorithm is.

d_tr 4y ago

Do regular drivers actually take their hands off the wheel and expect the car to drive them around in an urban road network? And they have peace of mind while doing so?

TechBro8615 4y ago
Worse, it appears there are at least some software engineers who do this. It’s perplexing to me that anyone who works in this industry would give any software control over their life.