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Harnessing telepathy using quantum mechanics

2 points by digitcatphd 4y ago

The book 'Think and Grow Rich' is partially premised on a person's thoughts influencing her environment by altering the 'ether' that surrounds it. This, he later extends to directly making arguments for telepathy, even citing a scientific study claiming to conclusively demonstrate telepathy. I found the basis of his book to be true, ultra successful people do seem to have a level of obsession and drive influence over every action, which led me to question the scientific basis of it, which seems today to be various laws of quantum mechanics. If one accepts that the laws of quantum mechanics influence matter undetectable to humans (e.g. our sensory perception does not interpret the 'frequency') There is evidence of this in nature, commonly represented by the feeling one gets if another person is watching them. The book implies human brains are able to communicate some degree of information through what today I suspect we refer to as quantum entanglement. Humans, as a species, potentially primarily communicated this way before language developed and has been slowly removed from the human evolution tree as was replaced with brain more configured for verbal language. In a separate case, there are instances people cite positive and negative energy 'vibes' which one may argue are also evolutionary communication mechanisms, possibly developed to detect threats or mating. This is more present likely because these traits are still useful today. This may be influenced by a body's quantum field or some other quantum event releasing information. Mammals communicate differently. For instance, dogs primarily use scent to detect the same threat or mating signals, something humans are not evolutionarily equipped to do. In perhaps its most controversial claim, the book seems to imply the possibility of being clairvoyant, citing instances of impending danger or even opportunity. At the time of the writing, did not understand the laws of quantum mechanics. Today, these rules are aligned with our elementary understanding of time as a dimension. If the universe is deterministic, which is an implied possibility with our understanding of time as a dimension, then knowledge of these future events would be one of many other dimensions humans do not have the evolutionarily capability to sense, possibility because its evolutionary value was limited compared to the body's energy being applied to alternative senses. However, Darwin argued novel evolutionary traits are potentially 1 in 1 M or more, which if were true, suggests that clairvoyance is actually a rare trait of an early trait for detecting alternate dimensions, similar to that of the early teeth of a shark or eyes of an amphibian. Im not implying these these are true, but it is interesting to see how they formed several arguments describing events today we have a more sophisticated understanding of.

aiscapehumanity 4y ago
It is indeed interesting.
jodrellblank 4y ago
> "The book implies human brains are able to communicate some degree of information through what today I suspect we refer to as quantum entanglement. Humans, as a species, potentially primarily communicated this way Quantum Entanglement can't be used for communication: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used-for-communication https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used-... Not sure it's needed as an explanation either; humans have good vision and mirror neurons and imaginations, such that we can read other people's expressions, imagine what they're feeling inside, empathically feel the same, without any need for telepathy - although it basically is telepathy in a sense; silent communication over long distance carried at light speed. Just not words. > "even citing a scientific study claiming to conclusively demonstrate telepathy." James Randi's million dollar prize for demonstrating paranormal ability was never won. He did describe paranormal researchers being fooled and completely convinced by such tricks as a thin thread, or blowing on card to move them, later admitted by the test subjects. > "commonly represented by the feeling one gets if another person is watching them." I have a copy of Rupert Sheldrake's "The sense of being stared at", maybe I should get round to reading it one day. > "Im not implying these these are true, but it is interesting to see how they formed several arguments describing events today we have a more sophisticated understanding of." It's easy to make an encryption system that you yourself cannot break, but can easily be broken. It's easy to convince yourself that your view on a math problem is right, but a proof has to be not just convincing but irrefutable. Woo and the paranormal and medical quackery and so on have so many good stories, amazing ideas and awe-inspiring consequences, and great story tellers, they are rather similar, I think, and that science generally is the process of weeding out the irrefutable unarguable facts from the enticing stories.
- inphovore 4y ago
  > Quantum Entanglement can't be used for communication: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used- https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used-... If you’re allowed to cite magic allow me to hazard that ignorance is not conclusive proof. Known states may be pushed through entanglement, we just don’t know how. In the quantum domain constructive and destructive interference is king. Ultimately quantum computing shall be discovered as a sieve, not a qubit state rendering. In our minds we don’t have one particle entangled, we have tens of millions per cluster. By the magical phenomena of constructive interference we shall discover particulate bound potential hold and change their state, like a sieve. > Not sure it's needed as an explanation either; humans have good vision and mirror neurons and imaginations, such that we can read other people's expressions, imagine what they're feeling inside, empathically feel the same, without any need for telepathy - although it basically is telepathy in a sense; silent communication over long distance carried at light speed. Just not words. The entanglement conjecture is not really “telepathy” by modern language it is “teleportation” and “wormholes”. Yes, I speculate to you the wormholes are in our heads, only it is information not matter which passes through. These entanglements do propagate and are captured by proximity however they may be propagated through the very entanglement itself once established (with the help of the host neurons). > James Randi's million dollar prize for demonstrating paranormal ability was never won. He did describe paranormal researchers being fooled and completely convinced by such tricks as a thin thread, or blowing on card to move them, later admitted by the test subjects Sorry to burst your top-of-the-food-chain centrism, you’re late to the party. Those who have perfected these things are already in “controls”. They conduce top scientists speak endlessly on the absurd impossibility of the claim (like a brain parasite the host is unaware of) before letting this truth be emperically observed. For proofs you must look at the past. I enjoy these stories about voices diagnosing illness. Some favorites https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232271307_A_difficult_case_Diagnosis_made_by_hallucinatory_voices https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232271307_A_difficu... PKD is one such case. https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/tip-sheet/article/70857-was-philip-k-dick-a-madman-or-a-mystic.html https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/t... This is not court evidence sure, yet there are many such cases which fit a pattern that a small percentage of humanity can run around among our minds like hackers on the internet. And these go FAR back in time (wish I had the space). Thought control now regulates our minds, even our ability to think (or not think) of a topic may be influenced by these controls without our awareness. Hearing the voices either means your mind is very sensitive, or a network has moved in that doesn’t care or cannot competently suppress your awareness. > Woo and the paranormal and medical quackery and so on have so many good stories, amazing ideas and awe-inspiring consequences, and great story tellers, they are rather similar, I think, and that science generally is the process of weeding out the irrefutable unarguable facts from the enticing stories. You have been rooted, and your science is laughable. If you think science is anything more than a disciplined way of handling our own ignorance and confusion you are self deceived. Science is the art of undeceiving the self and should not be respected or relied upon for anything more. For everything else, thank engineers! I’m not selling you ghosts and goblins, I offer a parody that parallels our waking life in the shadow of our refusal to believe. Do not refuse to believe sir, that is unscientific. Rather accept humans have no idea what they are talking about and are only relatable by virtue of communicated experiences.

2 points by digitcatphd 4y ago

aiscapehumanity 4y ago

It is indeed interesting.

jodrellblank 4y ago

> "The book implies human brains are able to communicate some degree of information through what today I suspect we refer to as quantum entanglement. Humans, as a species, potentially primarily communicated this way Quantum Entanglement can't be used for communication: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used-for-communication https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used-... Not sure it's needed as an explanation either; humans have good vision and mirror neurons and imaginations, such that we can read other people's expressions, imagine what they're feeling inside, empathically feel the same, without any need for telepathy - although it basically is telepathy in a sense; silent communication over long distance carried at light speed. Just not words. > "even citing a scientific study claiming to conclusively demonstrate telepathy." James Randi's million dollar prize for demonstrating paranormal ability was never won. He did describe paranormal researchers being fooled and completely convinced by such tricks as a thin thread, or blowing on card to move them, later admitted by the test subjects. > "commonly represented by the feeling one gets if another person is watching them." I have a copy of Rupert Sheldrake's "The sense of being stared at", maybe I should get round to reading it one day. > "Im not implying these these are true, but it is interesting to see how they formed several arguments describing events today we have a more sophisticated understanding of." It's easy to make an encryption system that you yourself cannot break, but can easily be broken. It's easy to convince yourself that your view on a math problem is right, but a proof has to be not just convincing but irrefutable. Woo and the paranormal and medical quackery and so on have so many good stories, amazing ideas and awe-inspiring consequences, and great story tellers, they are rather similar, I think, and that science generally is the process of weeding out the irrefutable unarguable facts from the enticing stories.

inphovore 4y ago
> Quantum Entanglement can't be used for communication: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used- https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used-... If you’re allowed to cite magic allow me to hazard that ignorance is not conclusive proof. Known states may be pushed through entanglement, we just don’t know how. In the quantum domain constructive and destructive interference is king. Ultimately quantum computing shall be discovered as a sieve, not a qubit state rendering. In our minds we don’t have one particle entangled, we have tens of millions per cluster. By the magical phenomena of constructive interference we shall discover particulate bound potential hold and change their state, like a sieve. > Not sure it's needed as an explanation either; humans have good vision and mirror neurons and imaginations, such that we can read other people's expressions, imagine what they're feeling inside, empathically feel the same, without any need for telepathy - although it basically is telepathy in a sense; silent communication over long distance carried at light speed. Just not words. The entanglement conjecture is not really “telepathy” by modern language it is “teleportation” and “wormholes”. Yes, I speculate to you the wormholes are in our heads, only it is information not matter which passes through. These entanglements do propagate and are captured by proximity however they may be propagated through the very entanglement itself once established (with the help of the host neurons). > James Randi's million dollar prize for demonstrating paranormal ability was never won. He did describe paranormal researchers being fooled and completely convinced by such tricks as a thin thread, or blowing on card to move them, later admitted by the test subjects Sorry to burst your top-of-the-food-chain centrism, you’re late to the party. Those who have perfected these things are already in “controls”. They conduce top scientists speak endlessly on the absurd impossibility of the claim (like a brain parasite the host is unaware of) before letting this truth be emperically observed. For proofs you must look at the past. I enjoy these stories about voices diagnosing illness. Some favorites https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232271307_A_difficult_case_Diagnosis_made_by_hallucinatory_voices https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232271307_A_difficu... PKD is one such case. https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/tip-sheet/article/70857-was-philip-k-dick-a-madman-or-a-mystic.html https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/t... This is not court evidence sure, yet there are many such cases which fit a pattern that a small percentage of humanity can run around among our minds like hackers on the internet. And these go FAR back in time (wish I had the space). Thought control now regulates our minds, even our ability to think (or not think) of a topic may be influenced by these controls without our awareness. Hearing the voices either means your mind is very sensitive, or a network has moved in that doesn’t care or cannot competently suppress your awareness. > Woo and the paranormal and medical quackery and so on have so many good stories, amazing ideas and awe-inspiring consequences, and great story tellers, they are rather similar, I think, and that science generally is the process of weeding out the irrefutable unarguable facts from the enticing stories. You have been rooted, and your science is laughable. If you think science is anything more than a disciplined way of handling our own ignorance and confusion you are self deceived. Science is the art of undeceiving the self and should not be respected or relied upon for anything more. For everything else, thank engineers! I’m not selling you ghosts and goblins, I offer a parody that parallels our waking life in the shadow of our refusal to believe. Do not refuse to believe sir, that is unscientific. Rather accept humans have no idea what they are talking about and are only relatable by virtue of communicated experiences.