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Why is this being downvoted?!

woodruffw 4y ago
I'd also like to know. It's an honest question, and I don't see why we should evaluate Ethereum's power consumption based on an unrealized scheme that's been promised (and left undelivered) for years.
- ChrisClark 4y ago
  Because the final steps are finally being performed. Just because something has taken a long time, doesn't mean it will never be done. There is nothing more to be done now except the actual final step of the merge. The latest test merges have gone very well, but when you're dealing with something this valuable, you do a lot of tests, just to be sure.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    Okay. I can appreciate the need for caution and careful direction when making significant changes to a financial scheme. What I recall is a number of public announcements over the years claiming that the PoS transition was imminent, only to have it delayed at the last moment. That kind of repeated whiplash is not confidence inspiring, either from a design or a community standpoint. Is there a reason to expect this time to be different?
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    - viraptor 4y ago
      I don't remember any announcement of the merge being imminent from the project itself. I remember lots of articles claiming that based on the project taking about the progress. There was some goal of ~2018 that was missed / didn't work out. But the "imminent" part became more of a meme people talk about than reality though.
    - 0x64 4y ago
      >Is there a reason to expect this time to be different? Well... - five+ different consensus clients, all with a full PoS implementation and a working PoW -> PoS transition mechanism - four different execution clients, all with a working PoW -> PoS transition mechanism - Multiple (dozen+) of successful merges on testnets and shadow forks. Ropsten, an ancient test network, was successfully merged to PoS from PoW a couple weeks ago. There's two more existing testnets that will be merged soon. Sepolia on the 5th of July, and Goerli on some date TBD. If those are successful and there are no major issues found, it's time for mainnet.
olalonde 4y ago
Because this comment is basically copy/pasted in every HN article about Ethereum[0]. It doesn't add anything to the conversation and is extremely repetitive. A bit like the "generics in Go" comments on every Go article until they were implemented. [0] Not even 24 hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31954276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31954276

I'd also like to know. It's an honest question, and I don't see why we should evaluate Ethereum's power consumption based on an unrealized scheme that's been promised (and left undelivered) for years.

ChrisClark 4y ago
Because the final steps are finally being performed. Just because something has taken a long time, doesn't mean it will never be done. There is nothing more to be done now except the actual final step of the merge. The latest test merges have gone very well, but when you're dealing with something this valuable, you do a lot of tests, just to be sure.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  Okay. I can appreciate the need for caution and careful direction when making significant changes to a financial scheme. What I recall is a number of public announcements over the years claiming that the PoS transition was imminent, only to have it delayed at the last moment. That kind of repeated whiplash is not confidence inspiring, either from a design or a community standpoint. Is there a reason to expect this time to be different?
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  - viraptor 4y ago
    I don't remember any announcement of the merge being imminent from the project itself. I remember lots of articles claiming that based on the project taking about the progress. There was some goal of ~2018 that was missed / didn't work out. But the "imminent" part became more of a meme people talk about than reality though.
  - 0x64 4y ago
    >Is there a reason to expect this time to be different? Well... - five+ different consensus clients, all with a full PoS implementation and a working PoW -> PoS transition mechanism - four different execution clients, all with a working PoW -> PoS transition mechanism - Multiple (dozen+) of successful merges on testnets and shadow forks. Ropsten, an ancient test network, was successfully merged to PoS from PoW a couple weeks ago. There's two more existing testnets that will be merged soon. Sepolia on the 5th of July, and Goerli on some date TBD. If those are successful and there are no major issues found, it's time for mainnet.

olalonde 4y ago

Because this comment is basically copy/pasted in every HN article about Ethereum[0]. It doesn't add anything to the conversation and is extremely repetitive. A bit like the "generics in Go" comments on every Go article until they were implemented. [0] Not even 24 hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31954276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31954276