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"My respect for Linus just grew 10-fold!" Why? He just bashes Java using strong language and not providing any arguments. This could get my respect if Java wer

by praptak 15y ago

"My respect for Linus just grew 10-fold!" Why? He just bashes Java using strong language and not providing any arguments. This could get my respect if Java were some kind of sacred cow that nobody dares criticize. This is not the case AFAIK.

ffsdfsdfsda 15y ago
Yeah, first Java was criticized by the C (and C++) community saying it was too slow, bloated, write-once-run-anywhere was a joke, etc. Then that viewpoint spread to everyone else. Then Microsoft ditched on it because .Net was so awesome, then Ruby community ditched on it because it required too much code. I've been a Java developer since the late 90s. I think what Oracle has done should reserve them a place in hell. But Java is not a threat to anyone anymore. It will have no more share than what it already has, with the exception of its (Java subset) use in Android devices, and long-term I think Google probably wants to get rid of it, too, even though it will take them replacing much of their development team first. Linus made this off-the-cuff remark somewhat in jest, as far as I'm concerned. I take Java hate from seasoned programmers with a grain of salt. What used to bother me though was script kiddies and wannabes that developed simple web apps with languages and frameworks they barely understand ditching on Java with absolutely no fucking idea what they were talking about, just because they didn't like casting or whatever. Now I just take the whole Java hate thing with a grain of salt.
godDLL 15y ago
I wish I could just get away with it like that.
alexchamberlain 15y ago
I accept that this quote doesn't give his reasons. However, I have to agree with him. My reasons are that Java is slow and bloated.
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- spullara 15y ago
  You must think everything but well optimized, hard to write and read C/C++ is slow and bloated then. Which is fine if that is what you are comparing it to.
- buster 15y ago
  Why do so many people say Java is slow? What's slow? In fact Java compares fairly well against pretty much everything except C. It's a memory hog, but it sure isn't slow, whatever that means.
  - nirbheek 15y ago
    Not against JavaScript or PyPy, from what I've seen.
    - buster 15y ago
      Like this one http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=java&lang2=v8 http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=all... ? also interesting: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/which-programming-languages-are-fastest.php http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/which-programming-lang...

by praptak 15y ago

ffsdfsdfsda 15y ago

Yeah, first Java was criticized by the C (and C++) community saying it was too slow, bloated, write-once-run-anywhere was a joke, etc. Then that viewpoint spread to everyone else. Then Microsoft ditched on it because .Net was so awesome, then Ruby community ditched on it because it required too much code. I've been a Java developer since the late 90s. I think what Oracle has done should reserve them a place in hell. But Java is not a threat to anyone anymore. It will have no more share than what it already has, with the exception of its (Java subset) use in Android devices, and long-term I think Google probably wants to get rid of it, too, even though it will take them replacing much of their development team first. Linus made this off-the-cuff remark somewhat in jest, as far as I'm concerned. I take Java hate from seasoned programmers with a grain of salt. What used to bother me though was script kiddies and wannabes that developed simple web apps with languages and frameworks they barely understand ditching on Java with absolutely no fucking idea what they were talking about, just because they didn't like casting or whatever. Now I just take the whole Java hate thing with a grain of salt.

godDLL 15y ago

I wish I could just get away with it like that.

alexchamberlain 15y ago

I accept that this quote doesn't give his reasons. However, I have to agree with him. My reasons are that Java is slow and bloated.

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spullara 15y ago
You must think everything but well optimized, hard to write and read C/C++ is slow and bloated then. Which is fine if that is what you are comparing it to.
buster 15y ago
Why do so many people say Java is slow? What's slow? In fact Java compares fairly well against pretty much everything except C. It's a memory hog, but it sure isn't slow, whatever that means.
- nirbheek 15y ago
  Not against JavaScript or PyPy, from what I've seen.
  - buster 15y ago
    Like this one http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=java&lang2=v8 http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=all... ? also interesting: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/which-programming-languages-are-fastest.php http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/which-programming-lang...