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Those high salaries remind me of the stories of heavy smokers who didn't die of cancer or COPD. I think it's very unlikely to get those high salaries in Europe.
by de6u99er 4y ago
Those high salaries remind me of the stories of heavy smokers who didn't die of cancer or COPD. I think it's very unlikely to get those high salaries in Europe. Comparing them to salaries in Silicon Valley without context isn't really smart. I have always tried to see bay area salaries as as risk compensation.
E g. In Vienna/Austria a 2-3 bedroom apartment here is about 1-2k while in the bay area it's between 5-10k. If I lose my job I still have a social net that will soften my fall, while in SV you're on your own and can get evicted from one day to the other. We have a single payer healthcare system while in the US certain health issues can, despite being insured, lead to financial ruin.
That being said my salary was until now always a 5-figure salary. In my upcoming job I will for the first time in my career path get a 6-figure salary which excluding bonuses is 70% higher and including bonuses can be up to 89% higher than currently. It took me quite some while to get there, and I can assure others that jobs paying those amounts don't grow on trees. It requires both talent and charisma, and honestly also luck, to land such a job. Constantly switching jobs and chasing slightly higher salaries definitely isn't the way to go.
- fnbr 4y agoWait, really? That’s incredible! €1-2k for a 2-3 bedroom apartment in Vienna? You would barely see that anywhere in Canada, let alone a major city.
- lnsru 4y agoThe same is valid for Munich. 2-3 bedrooms plus dining room is <2k here. However it’s not the best apartment in the city, rather okayish. Also it’s hard to hit 5k after taxes salary limit here.
- bogomipz 4y agoWow. Out of curiosity is Berlin the same price as or more expensive than Munich now?
- ido 4y agoMunich is the most expensive city in Germany, i believe Berlin is 3rd or 4th. EDIT: according to this Berlin has the 4th highest rents in Germany https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1885/umfrage/mietpreise-in-den-groessten-staedten-deutschlands/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1885/umfrage/... (€ per square meter, for 2-3BR - which Germans call "3-4 rooms" - you can for ease of calculation assume 100 mˆ2)
- atq2119 4y agoIt is absolutely possible to get more than 5k after taxes as base salary in Munich as a true senior software engineer. Lots of what TFA calls "tier 3" companies are in Munich.
- lnsru 4y agoCould you please share some information regarding these companies? I know one - Apple. But 5k is not their base salary, it’s lower with ton of stocks on top.
- skuzye 4y agoGoogle is hiring in Munich too. I couldn't find public salary information on salaries there though. I'd say it's competitive enough that I'd be willing to relocate from London there. Disclaimer: I work for Google. Words my own.
- lnsru 4y agoThanks. According levels.fyi L5 might have this base salary. Funny thing is that none of these salaries are for the roles working with hardware. As electrical engineer I am sad about this situation.
- de6u99er 4y agoYes: https://www.immowelt.at/liste/wien/wohnungen/mieten?ami=100&d=true&rmi=3&sd=ASC&sf=PRIMARY_PRICE_AMOUNT&sp=1 https://www.immowelt.at/liste/wien/wohnungen/mieten?ami=100&...
- ficklepickle 4y agoCanada has the lovely combo of low salaries and high rent
- sonofaragorn 4y agoAnd frigid winters. Why am I here again?
- bcrosby95 4y agoThe climate will be perfect in another 50 years.
- ido 4y agoThe climate in BC is already perfect IMO and has milder winters than central Europe.
- seabrookmx 4y ago*Southern BC and Vancouver Island It's a big province. Winter sure isn't warm north of Prince George.
- ido 4y agoFair enough, but the mild areas are where most people actually live.
- jotm 4y agoIt's not that incredible considering availability, requirements, time from arrival to country to getting the keys, etc. But yeah, once you are renting it, it's pretty nice until you have to move.
- ipaddr 4y agoYou can find that in most cities. 2,700 Canadian can rent a house in Toronto if you leave the downtown area.
- de6u99er 4y agoI forgot to mention. 5 weeks of PTO or like in my case, after having paid into the system enough years, 6 weeks of PTO. Plus 100% paid sick leave! And lastl but not least between 12 and 24 months (parents' choice) parental leave which can be consumed half-half by both parents.
- junofan 4y ago> I have always tried to see bay area salaries as as risk compensation. Nobody paying those salaries sees it as risk compensation, so I don’t see how that can be true. Also, can’t you move back, or is there some requirement you pay into your system?
- raverbashing 4y agoThe trimodal distribution is certainly present in the USA as well Not every developer there wants/can/will move to SF for a FAANG job (or to NY, Seattle, etc) You won't get paid the top salaries if you're with MS in Miami, or with a "legacy company" in a less popular city, etc Remote might change that of course
- xenadu02 4y agoYou can rent a 3/2 house with garage for 4k in San Francisco. My mortgage in SF is not even 10k! The only people paying 5-10k for an apartment are doing it in a trendy area, posh building, or both. Personally I'd consider that a waste of money but to each their own.
- nemexis 4y agois that euro or dollar?
- aix1 4y agoFor reference, €1 is currently worth US$1.04, i.e. they're basically at parity.
- TulliusCicero 4y ago> while in the bay area it's between 5-10k. No it's not. That's extremely high even by bay area standards. I'm sure you can find some new luxury apartments that go for that, but that's definitely not the norm. And note that the US is more than just the bay area.