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Agree that this isn't likely to be true at population level - I was talking about Software Developers specifically. Disagree on "much higher standard of educat

by 988747 4y ago

Agree that this isn't likely to be true at population level - I was talking about Software Developers specifically. Disagree on "much higher standard of education" - even if Austria comes on top, it's just barely, not by a lot.

yrgulation 4y ago
I dont know where op gets their stats but pay in austria is by no means competitive. I know of a romanian dude who interviewed for a company there. Pompous session, ties, suit and the stench of a rigid hierarchy. Once they made their offer he laughed and told them he’d earn twice as much for the same (tech) job in romania. Perhaps an isolated case but DACH countries have an inflated sense of superiority not matching reality, at least in software tech. Interestingly i see many of them crapping on east europeans on this forum. Perhaps due to a sense of insecurity, but would be interesting if someone pulled some stats on how often they pull the east european “poverty” or “corruption” card out of their behind.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >Once they made their offer he laughed and told them he’d earn twice as much for the same (tech) job in romania. Perhaps an isolated case Definitely not an isolated case. Austrian tech companies generally pay shit and are usually pretty backwards and burocratic due to the management heavy culture from the 20th century factories (WFH is frowned upon and your time in the office is tracked instead of looking at employee output) and highly conservative culture in general (everyone still uses cash). Also they put far too much value in having advanced degrees from their local universities rather than looking at experience and practical skills, so you end up in credential inflation town with colleagues who scuff at your code or technical opinions, because they "have a PhD from TU Sturmfart, and you don't". That explains why they have virtually no internationally successful local SW companies (unlike other small EU companies like Netherlands or Finland, or even poorer Estonia), and instead have just a bunch of mom and pop webshops, crusty ERP boyshops for local factories, and their outdated banking industry that can't even get stock trading and banking apps right and instead need to rely on the German Flatex and N26. Their only unicorn, Bitpanda, recently fired half the workforce, which they easily could because Austrian employees have virtually no protection against termination, so your employer can fire you without any reason with the 1-3 month notice period. The cherry on top is that non-competes are legal here and employers can choose to enforce them, which, as we know, is what made SV the cradle of innovation. /s I rest my case. QOL is generally good there and you can live well there, provided you do anything but tech, ideally work for the state or government enterprises and coast till retirement on your inherited real estate.
- EUROCARE 4y ago
  This matches my experience, and also consider: I'm paying less than 8% income tax and health and social insurance combined on my income in the CEE country where I live. What's the tax and insurance in DE and A?
- sealeck 4y ago
  If you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_... it's pretty clear that the average monthly salary in Austria (adjusted for purchasing power parity) is roughly 2x that in Poland.

by 988747 4y ago

yrgulation 4y ago

I dont know where op gets their stats but pay in austria is by no means competitive. I know of a romanian dude who interviewed for a company there. Pompous session, ties, suit and the stench of a rigid hierarchy. Once they made their offer he laughed and told them he’d earn twice as much for the same (tech) job in romania. Perhaps an isolated case but DACH countries have an inflated sense of superiority not matching reality, at least in software tech. Interestingly i see many of them crapping on east europeans on this forum. Perhaps due to a sense of insecurity, but would be interesting if someone pulled some stats on how often they pull the east european “poverty” or “corruption” card out of their behind.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>Once they made their offer he laughed and told them he’d earn twice as much for the same (tech) job in romania. Perhaps an isolated case Definitely not an isolated case. Austrian tech companies generally pay shit and are usually pretty backwards and burocratic due to the management heavy culture from the 20th century factories (WFH is frowned upon and your time in the office is tracked instead of looking at employee output) and highly conservative culture in general (everyone still uses cash). Also they put far too much value in having advanced degrees from their local universities rather than looking at experience and practical skills, so you end up in credential inflation town with colleagues who scuff at your code or technical opinions, because they "have a PhD from TU Sturmfart, and you don't". That explains why they have virtually no internationally successful local SW companies (unlike other small EU companies like Netherlands or Finland, or even poorer Estonia), and instead have just a bunch of mom and pop webshops, crusty ERP boyshops for local factories, and their outdated banking industry that can't even get stock trading and banking apps right and instead need to rely on the German Flatex and N26. Their only unicorn, Bitpanda, recently fired half the workforce, which they easily could because Austrian employees have virtually no protection against termination, so your employer can fire you without any reason with the 1-3 month notice period. The cherry on top is that non-competes are legal here and employers can choose to enforce them, which, as we know, is what made SV the cradle of innovation. /s I rest my case. QOL is generally good there and you can live well there, provided you do anything but tech, ideally work for the state or government enterprises and coast till retirement on your inherited real estate.
EUROCARE 4y ago
This matches my experience, and also consider: I'm paying less than 8% income tax and health and social insurance combined on my income in the CEE country where I live. What's the tax and insurance in DE and A?
sealeck 4y ago
If you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_... it's pretty clear that the average monthly salary in Austria (adjusted for purchasing power parity) is roughly 2x that in Poland.