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>Protecting our users’ privacy and securing their data is core to Google’s work. haha

Spivak 4y ago
You can go haha all you want but the only thing it accomplishes is intentionally misunderstanding what they’re saying and then calling them hypocritical for something they didn’t say. Google’s whole thing is “better living through data organization.” You can criticize that mission up and down but it doesn’t change that for Google protecting privacy and the security of user data means protecting it from access by other people.
- car_analogy 4y ago
  Google's whole thing is selling ads and surveillance. Any impressions to the contrary is corporate PR working as designed. And that's a very cute perspective - for Google, privacy means protecting my data from access by not-Google. But that's not what it means for me.
  - Spivak 4y ago
    > But that's not what it means for me. You made my own point back to me but in a tone that makes it sound like a refutation. Expecting Google to frame their mission of protecting user data in terms of someone who considers Google themselves a threat is uncharitable to the point of just wanting to be mad. Your stance makes no distinction between Google collecting data and keeping it between you two and just publishing it publicly.
    - car_analogy 4y ago
      > Expecting Google to frame their mission They're not just framing their mission - they're redefining privacy. And there are plenty of companies that minimize the data they gather for exactly this reason ("considering themselves a threat", as you put it). Signal, Red Hat, Canonical, Duck Duck Go...
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > impressions to the contrary is corporate PR working as designed It's closer to propaganda if it serves to keep the rank and file in check.
- mrkramer 4y ago
  Yea Google is protecting me from state sponsored hackers but they can't protect me from scammers trying to sell me fake medications or from scareware ads that are trying to lure me into buying their fake software or downloading their malware/spyware. This are YouTube Ads that I see: https://i.imgur.com/11J8Jq4.png https://i.imgur.com/11J8Jq4.png https://i.imgur.com/73C7abY.png https://i.imgur.com/73C7abY.png https://i.imgur.com/gdg0bqH.png https://i.imgur.com/gdg0bqH.png
  - Spivak 4y ago
    Such a thing is inexcusable! The only appropriate response must be to stop protecting your data entirely.
    - mrkramer 4y ago
      How about stop colleting data and change the business model? But ads are very lucrative business. Tbh at least they offer YouTube Premium subscription which is YouTube but ad-free.
      - mdp2021 4y ago
        > How about How about just implementing it properly: _reasonably_ as opposed to "are you insane?", _effectively_ as opposed to "If I see this again I swear..", and with "win-win" _satisfaction of both parts_, as in "I am glad I was notified this opportunity: I will take it into consideration".

You can go haha all you want but the only thing it accomplishes is intentionally misunderstanding what they’re saying and then calling them hypocritical for something they didn’t say. Google’s whole thing is “better living through data organization.” You can criticize that mission up and down but it doesn’t change that for Google protecting privacy and the security of user data means protecting it from access by other people.

car_analogy 4y ago
Google's whole thing is selling ads and surveillance. Any impressions to the contrary is corporate PR working as designed. And that's a very cute perspective - for Google, privacy means protecting my data from access by not-Google. But that's not what it means for me.
- Spivak 4y ago
  > But that's not what it means for me. You made my own point back to me but in a tone that makes it sound like a refutation. Expecting Google to frame their mission of protecting user data in terms of someone who considers Google themselves a threat is uncharitable to the point of just wanting to be mad. Your stance makes no distinction between Google collecting data and keeping it between you two and just publishing it publicly.
  - car_analogy 4y ago
    > Expecting Google to frame their mission They're not just framing their mission - they're redefining privacy. And there are plenty of companies that minimize the data they gather for exactly this reason ("considering themselves a threat", as you put it). Signal, Red Hat, Canonical, Duck Duck Go...
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > impressions to the contrary is corporate PR working as designed It's closer to propaganda if it serves to keep the rank and file in check.
mrkramer 4y ago
Yea Google is protecting me from state sponsored hackers but they can't protect me from scammers trying to sell me fake medications or from scareware ads that are trying to lure me into buying their fake software or downloading their malware/spyware. This are YouTube Ads that I see: https://i.imgur.com/11J8Jq4.png https://i.imgur.com/11J8Jq4.png https://i.imgur.com/73C7abY.png https://i.imgur.com/73C7abY.png https://i.imgur.com/gdg0bqH.png https://i.imgur.com/gdg0bqH.png
- Spivak 4y ago
  Such a thing is inexcusable! The only appropriate response must be to stop protecting your data entirely.
  - mrkramer 4y ago
    How about stop colleting data and change the business model? But ads are very lucrative business. Tbh at least they offer YouTube Premium subscription which is YouTube but ad-free.
    - mdp2021 4y ago
      > How about How about just implementing it properly: _reasonably_ as opposed to "are you insane?", _effectively_ as opposed to "If I see this again I swear..", and with "win-win" _satisfaction of both parts_, as in "I am glad I was notified this opportunity: I will take it into consideration".