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Out of curiosity, could you share some examples of standards that you were prescient to?

awillen 4y ago
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hinkley 4y ago
I’m very relieved that we have finally seen the sense in about 75% of the stuff Kent Beck wrote down in ‘99. Not that he invented most of those things, because a lot of them were done somewhere in isolation in the 80’s but more seeing the complimentary nature. That doing 6 things could be 8 times as good as doing none of them. When the refactoring book came out some of us said, “oh yeah, so that’s what you call that” and half the people said “that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen, why would I ever waste my time doing that?” I still meet people like this, but many try to keep it to themselves. Kanban seemed so intuitive that I accidentally made a kanban board in 1995, when the only thing I knew about Japan was tiny trees. But really the biggest thing for me was that I was poorly served by the education system and spent my first few years thinking there was something wrong with me instead of something wrong with them, so you ten I was having introspective conversations with myself and by twelve overhearing other frustrated learners and interjecting things like, “yeah that didn’t make sense to me at all until I thought of it this way”. The teachers who say they learn as much as their students aren’t lying (or at least not all of them). Watching - actually watching- people struggle with things teaches you a lot about that thing, that person, and people in general (problem solving and task management). Being able to take a proposed solution and extrapolate on whether this will help or hurt a lot of people. Most only get as far as whether it’ll be awesome for them or horrible, and sometimes they’re wrong. What’s difficult though is that you see is that what people think they know and how they know it is usually wrong, for better and for worse. Most people aren’t open to hearing that until they are well and truly stuck. There are people who make their whole life about helping people with this. One of the advantages they have is that they are not personally invested in your experience, because they aren’t sharing in it. Whereas your coworkers are either stuck in it with you, or seen as distant and uncaring because they aren’t getting upset too.
- hinkley 4y ago
  Since it’s too late to edit: There was a conversation the other day where someone asserted that CI/CD was new to us all ten years ago and a few of us said, well no actually it’s been closer to 20.

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I’m very relieved that we have finally seen the sense in about 75% of the stuff Kent Beck wrote down in ‘99. Not that he invented most of those things, because a lot of them were done somewhere in isolation in the 80’s but more seeing the complimentary nature. That doing 6 things could be 8 times as good as doing none of them. When the refactoring book came out some of us said, “oh yeah, so that’s what you call that” and half the people said “that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen, why would I ever waste my time doing that?” I still meet people like this, but many try to keep it to themselves. Kanban seemed so intuitive that I accidentally made a kanban board in 1995, when the only thing I knew about Japan was tiny trees. But really the biggest thing for me was that I was poorly served by the education system and spent my first few years thinking there was something wrong with me instead of something wrong with them, so you ten I was having introspective conversations with myself and by twelve overhearing other frustrated learners and interjecting things like, “yeah that didn’t make sense to me at all until I thought of it this way”. The teachers who say they learn as much as their students aren’t lying (or at least not all of them). Watching - actually watching- people struggle with things teaches you a lot about that thing, that person, and people in general (problem solving and task management). Being able to take a proposed solution and extrapolate on whether this will help or hurt a lot of people. Most only get as far as whether it’ll be awesome for them or horrible, and sometimes they’re wrong. What’s difficult though is that you see is that what people think they know and how they know it is usually wrong, for better and for worse. Most people aren’t open to hearing that until they are well and truly stuck. There are people who make their whole life about helping people with this. One of the advantages they have is that they are not personally invested in your experience, because they aren’t sharing in it. Whereas your coworkers are either stuck in it with you, or seen as distant and uncaring because they aren’t getting upset too.

hinkley 4y ago
Since it’s too late to edit: There was a conversation the other day where someone asserted that CI/CD was new to us all ten years ago and a few of us said, well no actually it’s been closer to 20.