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Alas, because you have not heard of them, does not mean your local police have not heard of them (they are probably using them already - even if you have astoni

Alas, because you have not heard of them, does not mean your local police have not heard of them (they are probably using them already - even if you have astonishingly low gun crime in Europe, making the exercise a pointless waste of money). In Europe, companies selling to the police are extremely discrete and generally keep a hyper low profile, particularly when selling technology (dubious or otherwise). These deals generally work by 'befriending' politicians who can instruct police to purchase and that's all back-room type of stuff. Generally, it's when a politician wants credit by claiming some success in reducing/detecting crime that these things get any press. The publicity focuses not on the company, but on the genius nature of the politicians decision making.

InCityDreams 4y ago
"...even if you have astonishingly low gun crime in Europe...." Er, no. You have astonishingly high gun crime in the States. Sorry 'bout that.
- _jal 4y ago
  You're getting downvoted of course, but it is true - the US is the outlier among rich nations. Per capita, the US is just behind Panama; in absolute numbers, Brazil is ahead by about 14%. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-violence-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-viole... Comparing just to other rich countries shows stark differences: https://www.healthdata.org/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier https://www.healthdata.org/acting-data/gun-violence-united-s... It isn't even close.
- rpmisms 4y ago
  Our gun crime rates per gun are flabbergastingly low. Our gun crime rates per capita are excellent, except in some of the largest cities.
  - _jal 4y ago
    > Our gun crime rates per gun are flabbergastingly low I think I'm going to start reporting our bug resolution counts by text editor.
    - rpmisms 4y ago
      It's like bug reports per user. Obviously if you have 4 users, you're going to have fewer bug reports.
  - stepanhruda 4y ago
    We have lots of bugs in our product, but you will be happy to hear that our ratio of bug per line of code is excellent! Also US numbers per capita are actually very bad (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-world-comparison/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-worl...) and worse in rural states, are you just going by feelings?
dtgriscom 4y ago
> astonishingly low gun crime in Europe, making the exercise a pointless waste of money Worse than that; if you listen long enough and carefully enough, you will hear gunshots. It's like over-used medical testing: look for a problem, find a problem, treat the problem, even if had you never looked the patient would generally be better off.
- b112 4y ago
  Rural Canada here, in an area with no real gun crime. There are people on their farms shooting things (rabid animals), or hunting in season. I guess you could only use these things in downtown of a city, otherwise so many false positives.. I can't even imagine in the US, land of 7 guns per person, plus of course the dogs are even armed...
  - skeeter2020 4y ago
    >> There are people on their farms shooting things (rabid animals) I don't really care if "rural people" are using guns but to claim shooting rabid animals is a major use-case is wrong or initially misleading.
    - Auracle 4y ago
      I’ve done it once and I witnessed my mom do it once. I’m sure it’s way, way less then 1% of the shots fired but it’s absolutely something that happens.
      - Jolter 4y ago
        You guys actually have rabies over there? Scary.
    - b112 4y ago
      In the US, I know you guys have to be shooting at anything and everything, just because you have a gun. In Canada, people on farms often buy guns just as a tool, not for cultural reasons, or pleasure, such as long guns, to shoot.... yes, rabid animals, or things preying on their livestock. It is a major use case, if you own a gun for rabid animals, and really don't get it out otherwise. I also have a chainsaw, and never get it out to cut trees, unless it has already fallen, or a danger. EG, I have a chainsaw, but never use it to cut down trees for fuel. Why do you object? Some areas have a strong local rabis population...

InCityDreams 4y ago

"...even if you have astonishingly low gun crime in Europe...." Er, no. You have astonishingly high gun crime in the States. Sorry 'bout that.

_jal 4y ago
You're getting downvoted of course, but it is true - the US is the outlier among rich nations. Per capita, the US is just behind Panama; in absolute numbers, Brazil is ahead by about 14%. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-violence-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-viole... Comparing just to other rich countries shows stark differences: https://www.healthdata.org/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier https://www.healthdata.org/acting-data/gun-violence-united-s... It isn't even close.
rpmisms 4y ago
Our gun crime rates per gun are flabbergastingly low. Our gun crime rates per capita are excellent, except in some of the largest cities.
- _jal 4y ago
  > Our gun crime rates per gun are flabbergastingly low I think I'm going to start reporting our bug resolution counts by text editor.
  - rpmisms 4y ago
    It's like bug reports per user. Obviously if you have 4 users, you're going to have fewer bug reports.
- stepanhruda 4y ago
  We have lots of bugs in our product, but you will be happy to hear that our ratio of bug per line of code is excellent! Also US numbers per capita are actually very bad (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-world-comparison/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-worl...) and worse in rural states, are you just going by feelings?

dtgriscom 4y ago

> astonishingly low gun crime in Europe, making the exercise a pointless waste of money Worse than that; if you listen long enough and carefully enough, you will hear gunshots. It's like over-used medical testing: look for a problem, find a problem, treat the problem, even if had you never looked the patient would generally be better off.

b112 4y ago
Rural Canada here, in an area with no real gun crime. There are people on their farms shooting things (rabid animals), or hunting in season. I guess you could only use these things in downtown of a city, otherwise so many false positives.. I can't even imagine in the US, land of 7 guns per person, plus of course the dogs are even armed...
- skeeter2020 4y ago
  >> There are people on their farms shooting things (rabid animals) I don't really care if "rural people" are using guns but to claim shooting rabid animals is a major use-case is wrong or initially misleading.
  - Auracle 4y ago
    I’ve done it once and I witnessed my mom do it once. I’m sure it’s way, way less then 1% of the shots fired but it’s absolutely something that happens.
    - Jolter 4y ago
      You guys actually have rabies over there? Scary.
  - b112 4y ago
    In the US, I know you guys have to be shooting at anything and everything, just because you have a gun. In Canada, people on farms often buy guns just as a tool, not for cultural reasons, or pleasure, such as long guns, to shoot.... yes, rabid animals, or things preying on their livestock. It is a major use case, if you own a gun for rabid animals, and really don't get it out otherwise. I also have a chainsaw, and never get it out to cut trees, unless it has already fallen, or a danger. EG, I have a chainsaw, but never use it to cut down trees for fuel. Why do you object? Some areas have a strong local rabis population...